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In reply to the discussion: Concepts of God and Religion [View all]SarahM32
(270 posts)117. Well, we'll see about that.
Last edited Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:14 PM - Edit history (1)
I've already addressed your erroneous assumptions and claims about a so-called "cult," which doesn't exist. So there is only one part of that rant that deserves a response.
You see the Dao is not God and (from my previous life) your attempting to understand the Dao and using words about the Way automatically makes you wrong about the Path. You see no scholar of the Way would use the words "faith in the Tao" the sense of the translation is nearer to "trust that the Way is there," i.e. that is that somewhere there is a path of right thinking and action. To have faith means trusting blindly and you cannot be blind to follow the Path; what you must do is trust that, somewhere there is a path. But even that is wrong. You cannot see the Dao, you cannot touch the Dao, you cannot speak of the Dao. Returning to my current self, yes, these are paradoxes and sophistries.
Addressing your previous self, I see the Tao (Dao) as God, The Path, and The Way. It is All. Remember, the Taoist concept of Oneness is that "All things derive their life from it [Tao], All things return to it, and it contains them."
Thats like what it says in the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, in which Jesus is quoted as saying that "All natures, all formed things, all creatures exist in and with one another and will again be resolved into their own roots, because the nature of matter is dissolved into the roots of its nature alone." The "nature of their roots" is the Tao, also known as God.
Therefore, there is little actual difference between the words faith in the Tao and trust that the Way is there. It depends on what you think the word faith means, and what you think the Way and the Path are. When really realized, there is only One.
A human being can see the Tao, and see God, but only when the seven seals of revelation or seven chakras are opened and one realizes and sees the divine reality within. However, you are right that we cannot touch the Tao. It is not a thing you can touch.
Addressing your current self, no, these are not sophistries, though they very well may appear to be paradoxes.
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I have tried to say the same thing WAAAAY less elegantly, and with way more words, here on DU.
patrice
Feb 2013
#9
I don't feel a need to prove anything to you. I'm tired & need to go look for work so here's a riff:
patrice
Feb 2013
#14
No, it's a general observation of the state of discourse on the topic, not an analysis, and words
patrice
Feb 2013
#16
Thank you, SarahM32, it's not easy sticking my head up like this and at least trying to do
patrice
Feb 2013
#35
Agree about how one decides what's, more or less, true. But it's not my job to "get" OP or you
patrice
Feb 2013
#48
CHOOSE that or don't. Let others do the same. None of that means anyone should not stand
patrice
Feb 2013
#51
Here's a source for, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
Jim__
Feb 2013
#11
Well, it would help if the site had the correct translation of the Tetragamaton
intaglio
Feb 2013
#4
No, the author is not a fundamentalist. The message makes that abundantly clear.
SarahM32
Feb 2013
#21
"not the god of Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham and other fundamentalists, but the real God..."
mr blur
Feb 2013
#60
I hate posts like this that get basic facts wrong or make erroneous assumptions...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2013
#26
Considering the anachronistic nature of so many religious texts, to think prophecy...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2013
#57
Nice thread, All! Bookmarking & I promise to explore later. MUST get on the treadmill now &
patrice
Feb 2013
#50
"How can an All Faiths Coalition be a cult?" How can a Unification Church be a cult? (nt)
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2013
#76
"As the messenger says, it's the message that's important, not the messenger."
cleanhippie
Feb 2013
#80
Nothing but that, and of course your incessant referral to "the message." Yes, cultish, indeed.
cleanhippie
Feb 2013
#81
False assumptions and accusations were predicted, and are according to prophecies.
SarahM32
Feb 2013
#84