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In reply to the discussion: Concepts of God and Religion [View all]SarahM32
(270 posts)125. The definition of a cult proves my case.
"SkepticScott" wrote:
The "All Faiths Coalition" that you argued couldn't possibly be a cult simply because of the name they'd chosen? You argue that just because something calls itself a "church", that doesn't mean it can't be a cult, but you also argue just as arrogantly in post 70 above that if something calls itself a "Coalition", then it can't possibly be a cult....no way, no how. It seems to escape your dizzying intellect that a cult can call itself anything it wants, and still be a cult. Getting it yet? Is the intellectual bankruptcy of your cult-based argument sinking in?
Here's hoping I can help you get it.
How could an All Faiths Coalition be a cult?
I know that a cult can call itself anything it wants. However, IF Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Muslims and people from other faiths joined a Humanitarian and Interfaith or All Faiths Coalition for Peace, Freedom and Justice, they would obviously not be a cult. They would be people from different faith traditions cooperating and collaborating to created Interfaith dialogue, cooperation, and collaboration to help people come together in common purpose for the common good of Mankind.
Besides that, the definition of cult proves and supports my case.
the definition of a cult is: 1. A particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies. 2. An organized group that devotes itself to or venerates a person. 3. a religion or sect considered to be false or extremist. And the word cult comes from the Latin cultus, meaning habitation and worship, which is a variation of the word colere, meaning to inhabit and worship.
Now, lets look at the facts.
1. A. The anonymous suggestions in the message are not about building an organization or a religion or a religious sect or a system of religious worship that would have rites or ceremonies. In fact, his messages promotes Interfaith dialogue, cooperation and understanding of the essential purpose of religions so that religious denominations, sects and groups that have become theocratic and cultish may be corrected and reformed. Therefore, he is not a religious leader, but a reformer of religious groups that have become theocratic and cultish.
B. His suggestions are also that we follow the advice of the Founders of the United States of America regarding religion, separation of church and state, and preventing Theocracy to ensure equality and freedom of religions.
2. His work and message has not produced, and is not designed to produce, an organized group that devotes itself to or venerates a person. Rather, according to prophecies he does not exalt himself, is hidden, confesses he is only human and flawed, and says that only God the eternal, infinite, omnipresent Great Spirit-Parent is worthy of worship. Reverence or worship of any man or woman, living or dead, is idol worship.
3. His mission is not to found a new religion or sect, or to lead an existing religion or sect, although according to prophecy many theocratic religious leaders in the world have and will consider his message to be false, extreme, heretical, apostasy. But that's expected. Prophets are always resented or hated at first by the religious establishments.
Now do you get it?
I suspect that even if you did, you wouldn't admit it.
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I have tried to say the same thing WAAAAY less elegantly, and with way more words, here on DU.
patrice
Feb 2013
#9
I don't feel a need to prove anything to you. I'm tired & need to go look for work so here's a riff:
patrice
Feb 2013
#14
No, it's a general observation of the state of discourse on the topic, not an analysis, and words
patrice
Feb 2013
#16
Thank you, SarahM32, it's not easy sticking my head up like this and at least trying to do
patrice
Feb 2013
#35
Agree about how one decides what's, more or less, true. But it's not my job to "get" OP or you
patrice
Feb 2013
#48
CHOOSE that or don't. Let others do the same. None of that means anyone should not stand
patrice
Feb 2013
#51
Here's a source for, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
Jim__
Feb 2013
#11
Well, it would help if the site had the correct translation of the Tetragamaton
intaglio
Feb 2013
#4
No, the author is not a fundamentalist. The message makes that abundantly clear.
SarahM32
Feb 2013
#21
"not the god of Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham and other fundamentalists, but the real God..."
mr blur
Feb 2013
#60
I hate posts like this that get basic facts wrong or make erroneous assumptions...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2013
#26
Considering the anachronistic nature of so many religious texts, to think prophecy...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2013
#57
Nice thread, All! Bookmarking & I promise to explore later. MUST get on the treadmill now &
patrice
Feb 2013
#50
"How can an All Faiths Coalition be a cult?" How can a Unification Church be a cult? (nt)
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2013
#76
"As the messenger says, it's the message that's important, not the messenger."
cleanhippie
Feb 2013
#80
Nothing but that, and of course your incessant referral to "the message." Yes, cultish, indeed.
cleanhippie
Feb 2013
#81
False assumptions and accusations were predicted, and are according to prophecies.
SarahM32
Feb 2013
#84