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struggle4progress

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47. A number of accounts indicate that the venue was some sort of extrajudical "village court"
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:21 PM
Feb 2013

or "village arbitration" composing local leaders. It is clear that a local teacher Saidur Rahman and a local "imam" Mafiz Uddin wreinvolved, and according to some reports Mafiz was subsequently arrested. I provide a link for that below. I can't determine exactly their relationship to any of the principles in the case

Judged from satellite images, Chamta seems a pretty small place; and since it lacks electricity, running water, and paved roads, it's not terribly prosperous, so there's unlikely to be any professional/salaried religious class there. In the context of Chamta, imam may signify nothing more than some local person regularly chosen to lead prayers, and it probably does not imply much religious training. Similarly fatwa is usually used in connection with scholarly religious rulings, whereas here the term might be used to describe an utterance by a probably untrained local prayer leader, or (to judge from local press) simply "the extrajudicial punishments pronounced by 'makeshift village arbitrations.'" My immediate conclusion from these considerations is that careless usage of words such as imam or fatwa may not be contributing much to the discussion and may actually be misleading: for all I know, these words were added by the various reporters

It's quite possible to imagine a coherent story here with no religious overtones: Mehbub returns home from his trip to Malaysia, flush with cash, and is a big man and world traveler in the eyes of folk in Chamta. He takes a liking to his cousin Hena and harasses her regularly, until her father complains to police and gets a sizable judgment against him (which is never paid). This irritates Mehbub, his wife Shilpi, and their immediate families. But Mehbub still wants Hena and finally sexually assaults her. Shilpi interrupts this assault but blames Hena; she drags the girl back to her house and beats the crap out of the kid for a day, then summons the village elders back to her house to render judgment. Naturally, she does not accuse Mehbub of rape: instead, she accuses her niece of being a little bitch temptress who has seduced her husband away from his life of connubial bliss. Meeting in Shilpi's house, the village elders, with the help of Shilpi and her sister, decide Hena deserves punishment for this and provide a substantial lashing sentence, as well as a hefty monetary judgment against her father (which conveniently cancels the prior judgment he obtained against Mehbub); Mehbub also earns a lashing sentence, but it is to be administered by his own father, and he somehow immediately escapes. Hena, on the other hand, who has been raped, and then beaten for twenty four hours by her angry aunt, now faces a real whopping, and she succumbs to it. Since Mehbub and his family have real political or economic clout in the village, several doctors are easily persuaded to rule Hena's death a suicide

Bangladeshi family tells of grief over girl whipped to death
February 6, 2011
Fariha Karim

... The assault left her on the brink of consciousness, unable to walk or talk. But instead of punishing Hena's attacker, elders called a shalish - a village meeting - where she was accused of having an illicit relationship with a married man. Mahbub's wife, Shilpi, complained that he had secretly been meeting Hena. Village elders found both cousins guilty ... Sara Hossain, a barrister involved in the high court case, said: "We have no Sharia law in Bangladesh except when it comes to family matters. Elders who find a woman guilty of something which they believe to be a social or immoral offence have no authority to do so" ... "I'm not educated," Darbesh said. "I don't know what the court laws are. But I know that if I don't listen to the elders, we would be outcast. None of my daughters could marry, no one would even look at us. If I had known that it would be them who would be punished, not me, then I would have tried to stop it." Makeshift shalish courts, in which village elders and religious clerics hold a trial based on traditional, often religious norms, have been an age-old tradition in rural Bangladesh ...



Shariatpur fatwa case accused still at large
... Hena, a 14-year-old girl, died on Monday after .. 101 lashes .. which villagers said had been ‘endorsed’ at a makeshift village arbitration ... On Tuesday, the police arrested four people in connection with the incident who were then sent to jail. However, the 14 accused, including the main accused, local madrassah teacher Saidur Rahman and local union parishad member Idris Sheikh, were still absconding ... Madrassah teacher Rahman and Imam Mafiz Uddin pronounced a decree to administer 101 lashes on Hena. The police have already arrested Mafiz ... The High Court sought a statement from the local administration .. to explain what measures the local administration had taken to resist Hena’s killing, in line with a previous HC verdict regarding false religious decrees (fatwa) ...



Main suspect in Hena killing held
Re-autopsy report submitted
... The High Court on July 8 last year served a ruling on the government, law enforcers, municipalities and the Union Parishads to take measures against 'fatwa', the extrajudicial punishments pronounced by 'makeshift village arbitrations.'


Hena Whipped to Death
2 accused denied bail
Thursday, March 3, 2011
A Shariatpur court yesterday rejected bail of two accused in connection with the second case filed after rape victim Hena Akhtar was whipped to death ... District Women and Children Repression Prevention Tribunal Judge Fazlur Rahman rejected the bail petition filed on February 22 seeking bail of UP member Idris Sheikh and Ala Box Karati ... Five other accused who are also in the jail were on the dock. They are 'rapist' Mahbub, his wife Shilpi, local imam Mafiz Uddin, Latif Meer Malat and Joynal Meer Malaot ... On February 11, In line with a High Court order, victim's mother filed a fresh case in connection with the death of the rape victim against the same accused on five charges ... The charges are rape, abduction, hatching conspiracy, holding unlawful assembly and torture ...


Islam in Bangladesh
... The majority of Muslims in Bangladesh are Sunni ...


Imam
... The Sunni branch of Islam does not have imams in the same sense as the Shi'a, an important distinction often overlooked by those outside of the Islamic faith. In every day terms, the imam for Sunni Muslims is the one who leads Islamic formal (Fard) prayers, even in locations besides the mosque, whenever prayers are done in a group of two or more with one person leading (imam) and the others follow by copying his ritual actions of worship ...


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sick...an abused child murdered because she was abused noiretextatique Feb 2013 #1
And because skepticscott Feb 2013 #2
Yes. Because of EXACTLY THAT. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2013 #4
Which religion and which god? ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #5
Yeah we just executed them until 2005, and only then by a 5-4 decision did we stop. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #6
Massive differences to be sure, but feel free to keep up the strawman ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #11
Deuteronomy 22:22. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #13
I guess your reading of these texts would make you a good rightwing fundamentalist, struggle4progress Feb 2013 #19
The point is that our two versions of the abrahamic religions are not all that different from Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #24
I never made any claim about "the abrahamic religions" nor about any supposed "islamic version" struggle4progress Feb 2013 #40
Uh, no "church" flogs children skepticscott Feb 2013 #9
Regularly? ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #10
No, they don't kill children "regularly" skepticscott Feb 2013 #12
Yes. Regularly. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #15
the article said it was a Mosque, not a church, and Xings have beaten children to death.. >Link rabid_byter Feb 2013 #78
yes: religious insanity noiretextatique Feb 2013 #90
Sickening, just fucking sickening. EvilAL Feb 2013 #3
I hope her murderers have no peace get the red out Feb 2013 #27
They deserve absolutely no peace, none! EvilAL Feb 2013 #74
There are certainly a variety of issues here. One issue is extrajudicial punishment, which struggle4progress Feb 2013 #7
Apologetics by Google..well done skepticscott Feb 2013 #8
Two years after, we can probably do more here than simply repost the story struggle4progress Feb 2013 #14
You will find skepticscott Feb 2013 #17
Fatal whipping exposes Bangladesh’s fatwa crimes struggle4progress Feb 2013 #20
And if we look at an even bigger picture... Meshuga Feb 2013 #28
It looks as if the Bushbots had lost control by 2008: struggle4progress Feb 2013 #61
Very few people on DU would think that religiously-motivated violence is acceptable LeftishBrit Mar 2013 #98
Yes, complex issues. Complex RELIGIOUS issues. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #16
Perhaps you meant to reply to skepticscott, who actually used the word "complex," struggle4progress Feb 2013 #18
Here is my current assessment of the incident: struggle4progress Feb 2013 #23
Your tireless efforts to absolve religious beliefs of any possible role in this (and other) trotsky Feb 2013 #25
While sticking one's head in the sand to make one feel better about the reality of the situation cleanhippie Feb 2013 #29
I've provided fifteen or twenty links to news stories relevant to the case, enabling anyone struggle4progress Feb 2013 #36
I posted that link in response to a specific question. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #37
I've provided fifteen or twenty links to news stories relevant to the case, together with struggle4progress Feb 2013 #41
You should know by now Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #75
Personal attacks don't help anything, Charles. trotsky Feb 2013 #76
Of course, there is a very dark side to religion, Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #81
I dunno, I've given you multiple opportunities... trotsky Feb 2013 #82
EVERYTHING you've written? skepticscott Feb 2013 #93
The only religious aspect okasha Feb 2013 #77
Gender Justice: Is Bangladesh Ignoring ‘Fatwa’ Violence Against Women? struggle4progress Feb 2013 #21
What we know so far: these events occurred two years ago, in a tiny Bangladeshi village without struggle4progress Feb 2013 #22
What does the Pakistani High Court have to do with it? trotsky Feb 2013 #26
What does this article have to do with Religion? Nothing grantcart Feb 2013 #30
Which ideology were those assassins following? trotsky Feb 2013 #31
Your lack of irony in regards to your name notwithstanding your grantcart Feb 2013 #51
NTS is all you've got? trotsky Feb 2013 #53
"Christian Bible" grantcart Feb 2013 #57
I'm going to respond without using the vicious personal attacks that you are engaging in. trotsky Feb 2013 #58
Thanks for the correction. It was a careless mistake of mine: struggle4progress Feb 2013 #32
And yet despite court rulings... trotsky Feb 2013 #33
I've provided links supporting the following account of events: struggle4progress Feb 2013 #42
The advantage I have is the truth. trotsky Feb 2013 #46
If you can build a coherent case for your view, based on such facts, as might be actually available struggle4progress Feb 2013 #48
You mean like the facts reported by CNN? trotsky Feb 2013 #50
One ought to be able to sort out conflicting claims: for example, the report you are citing asserts struggle4progress Feb 2013 #62
And yet not one of those discrepancies does a thing to dispel the central issue being discussed: trotsky Feb 2013 #66
... Hena Akhter (also known as Hena Begum), died six days after being lashed ... A village court struggle4progress Feb 2013 #34
Thanks for the update. okasha Feb 2013 #35
I've posted what I could find easily from standard news sources struggle4progress Feb 2013 #38
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #39
Gee, wouldn't it have been nice skepticscott Feb 2013 #43
Perhaps you could make your best case that this was actually religiously motivated, struggle4progress Feb 2013 #44
Start here skepticscott Feb 2013 #45
A number of accounts indicate that the venue was some sort of extrajudical "village court" struggle4progress Feb 2013 #47
Apologetics by Google 2.0 skepticscott Feb 2013 #49
I provided nearly two dozen links in a careful effort to determine what we know. struggle4progress Feb 2013 #55
No, you provided two dozen links skepticscott Feb 2013 #59
I say: facts first, analysis second. You would have it the other way around, it seems struggle4progress Feb 2013 #63
I would characterize your "argument" skepticscott Feb 2013 #65
They started beating on the girl before they had organized their cover story struggle4progress Feb 2013 #89
You're slipping, s4p. trotsky Feb 2013 #52
You'd better get busy... trotsky Feb 2013 #54
And as long as I'm making a task list for you, trotsky Feb 2013 #56
The "fantasy" in my #47 can be supported by links, with only minimal interpolation: struggle4progress Feb 2013 #64
"minimal interpolation"?!? trotsky Feb 2013 #67
Do you know (say) what religious position Idris Member holds? struggle4progress Feb 2013 #68
Can a person be motivated by religious beliefs without holding a religious position? trotsky Feb 2013 #69
The usual Islamic use of "fatwa" refers to an opinion by someone trained in their canon law, struggle4progress Feb 2013 #70
You didn't answer the question. trotsky Feb 2013 #71
Now let's turn to "Shilpi's brother Akkas Meermalot" struggle4progress Feb 2013 #72
Answer my questions. trotsky Feb 2013 #73
Let us now examine your quote: "When .. a so called religious leader .. gives an edict .. most struggle4progress Feb 2013 #85
Until you answer my questions, I don't really care how you choose to defend the murderers. trotsky Feb 2013 #86
And in my experience, you still wouldn't care if I answered your silly questions struggle4progress Feb 2013 #87
On the contrary, I'd love answers. trotsky Feb 2013 #88
Religiously, Bangladesh is about 90% Muslim and about 9% Hindu. It has universal suffrage. In 2008, struggle4progress Feb 2013 #60
Evidently, the Muslims still running the country like in the middle ages demosincebirth Feb 2013 #79
Personally, I'd be quite pleased if we could get 3/4 of the seats in the US Congress filled struggle4progress Feb 2013 #80
Reallly? I guess you haven't read the new in the last few years. If calling "bigoty, demosincebirth Feb 2013 #83
Since you reach sweeping conclusions about the 140+ million Muslims in Bangladesh, struggle4progress Feb 2013 #84
As I find yours nt demosincebirth Feb 2013 #91
Because I don't reach conclusions about 140+ million folk from the actions of 14 or so? struggle4progress Feb 2013 #92
Don't be fatuous Act_of_Reparation Mar 2013 #94
Bangladesh is the most densely inhabited country in the world with a population over half struggle4progress Mar 2013 #95
Try to keep up with the converseation please Act_of_Reparation Mar 2013 #96
Naturally, we should take seriously whatever AI says about human rights issues, including rates struggle4progress Mar 2013 #97
It's not the government that did this LeftishBrit Mar 2013 #99
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