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Silent3

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67. Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner

Tue Mar 5, 2013, 09:55 AM

Mar 2013

Yet he wrote eloquently about freedom. Lincoln probably would have gone apoplectic if he'd ever had a daughter and she'd wanted to marry a black man.

People are products of their times. They might have great ideas, great insights, and great internal contradictions at the same time. I see theistic thinking as a contradiction to scientific thinking that many scientist have nevertheless been able to work around.

Further, "reverence for the unknowable" is not the same as belief in deities.

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It's a big, fat myth that all scientists are religion-hating atheists [View all] cbayer Mar 2013 OP

I wouldnt trust a scientist that's religious RedstDem Mar 2013 #1

Did you read the article? cbayer Mar 2013 #2

yeah, I read it RedstDem Mar 2013 #5

You do offend and you have no more evidence that it is made up shit cbayer Mar 2013 #7

thank you RedstDem Mar 2013 #9

First off, you have no idea how many gods I may or may not believe in. cbayer Mar 2013 #11

Gee whiz, well then, by golly, why don't you alert? 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2013 #60

If I were to alert on everything that was merely offensive, I cbayer Mar 2013 #61

You'd hope any doctor would leave the religious belief at home, though muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #22

I think that most religious scientists also leave their beliefs at home. cbayer Mar 2013 #23

If there is no conflict between science, reason skepticscott Mar 2013 #66

Yes, Newton was such an illogical ass. Jim__ Mar 2013 #3

newton, when he wasn't inventing modern physics, was an amazing nutjob. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #4

Galileo as well. Shall we go on? cbayer Mar 2013 #6

with galileo it bothers me that he was imprisoned sure Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #65

Of course many of the early scientists were religious. Big Blue Marble Mar 2013 #24

Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner Silent3 Mar 2013 #67

I had a Sunday school teacher who worked on the Manhattan Project as a nuclear physicist. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #31

I am very accepting of people of faith RedstDem Mar 2013 #45

That is quite different. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #54

I'm happy to fit the stereotype nicely.... mike_c Mar 2013 #8

I have a few problems with this. longship Mar 2013 #10

While the numbers of non-believers in the scientific community is certainly cbayer Mar 2013 #14

It depends upon the discipline. longship Mar 2013 #17

Depends on what's being measured. SwissTony Mar 2013 #19

what's the difference between that and belief in "god"...? mike_c Mar 2013 #27

To you and me, nothing. SwissTony Mar 2013 #48

The God that tells you not to bang the neighbor's wife is different than the "unicorn God" Kolesar Mar 2013 #51

There is definitely a significant difference between the scientific community cbayer Mar 2013 #20

They have "faith" that these things work skepticscott Mar 2013 #34

There's a big difference in belief in God muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #18

Agree and I don't find that surprising at all. cbayer Mar 2013 #25

Who exactly made this claim? Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #12

A lovely dispatch of a straw man. trotsky Mar 2013 #13

It's also a big, fat myth skepticscott Mar 2013 #15

Is it a myth the liberal atheists are sarcastic jackasses? Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #33

You need to turn on skepticscott Mar 2013 #36

I make no pretenses about... Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #38

Turn the irony meter skepticscott Mar 2013 #41

Yeah. I think I'm recognizing a doooooozie! Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #42

I know plenty of religious scientists--and I don't know a single atheist who is "anti-wonder"-- Moonwalk Mar 2013 #16

Moonwalk, longship Mar 2013 #21

Great post and I agree with much of what you say, cbayer Mar 2013 #26

Someone actually wrote a whole book skepticscott Mar 2013 #32

I would like to point out Drale Mar 2013 #28

Fascinating POV, Drale. cbayer Mar 2013 #30

A Free Thinker Drale Mar 2013 #37

Part of the problem with the atheist/theist divide is that so many people, cbayer Mar 2013 #39

Its not an atheist/theist divide in his case, but more religious/irreligious divide... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #56

Again, further argument for why the simplistic labels become increasingly cbayer Mar 2013 #57

At least humanism is a coherent ethical philosophy and worldview, neither atheism or theism... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #58

Of course the one you believe in is a coherent ethical philosophy to you, cbayer Mar 2013 #59

I find it more coherent than what I was raised in, a variation of... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #62

Makes sense. cbayer Mar 2013 #63

And atheist an theist can co-exist in the same congregation Meshuga Mar 2013 #68

Just one example from first hand experience, fwiw - my uncle. pinto Mar 2013 #29

Sounds like a fascinating guy. cbayer Mar 2013 #35

Since you acknowledge that skepticscott Mar 2013 #40

I don't think he did either. From our talks he seemed to find it a non-issue. pinto Mar 2013 #44

Proving once again that apples fall from apple trees, because you are a lot like him. cbayer Mar 2013 #46

The reality is that one need only find one credible, religious scientist to flush the entire myth. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #43

Agree. It's just a meme that no true scientist could find data to back up. cbayer Mar 2013 #47

The reality is skepticscott Mar 2013 #49

Woohoo! We have permission to proceed. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #50

Yes, you have "permission" skepticscott Mar 2013 #52

The obscure references in the first two paragraphs made for a bad read Kolesar Mar 2013 #53

Feel free to do whatever you want, lol! cbayer Mar 2013 #55

scientists being religious, and the compatibility of science and religion Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #64

I don't think they are entirely separate at all. cbayer Mar 2013 #69

I've got news for you: Zoeisright Mar 2013 #70

Who in the world dismissed science? cbayer Mar 2013 #72

Only an idiot would believe in this "myth" in the first place. Evoman Mar 2013 #71