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backscatter712

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Tue Mar 5, 2013, 12:52 PM Mar 2013

Good News Clubs: Psychologically abusing your children in a public elementary school near you! [View all]

By popular request, reposting in Religion.

I'm talking about the Good News Clubs that have been springing up in public schools thanks to a 5-4 Supreme Court decision (three guesses which justices were in the majority, and the first two don't count.)

http://www.goodnewsclubs.info/

Last week, I went to see Richard Dawkins, Sean Faircloth, Eric Cernyar and Katherine Stewart discuss Good News Clubs, fundamentalist Bible clubs that are opening up in public schools across the nation, trying to convert everyone's kids to their particularly extreme flavor of Christianity.

They gave a classic example of the kinds of lessons they teach as part of the Good News: the battle of Israel versus the Amalekites.

Recap: God ordered Saul and the Israelites to attack the Amalekites and slaughter them all - man, woman, child, cattle, ALL! The Israelites didn't obey. They kept the cattle, and spared the kids. Not good enough. God was PISSED! He was only appeased after they slaughtered the prisoners, the children, the cattle, the babies, everything.

Lesson as taught to the children in Good News Clubs: OBEY! When Abraham was ordered by God to bring his son to the mountain and barbecue him, he was required to OBEY. When the Israelites were ordered to slaughter all the Amalekites. Not just some of them, ALL OF THEM, they were required to OBEY! If you, child, are ordered by God or your friendly religious authority figures to shoot a baby in the face, OBEY!

Yep, that's what the Good News Clubs consider to be an appropriate lesson to teach to six-year-old children. Isn't that cute?

Oh, and on top of that, they teach the classic Christian doctrines of original sin, the sinful nature of man, and the salvation of Christ.

Let me translate that into how the Good News Clubs teach it.

Because a man 6,000 years ago was goaded by his woman, who in turn was goaded by a talking snake, into eating a forbidden Apple of Smartness from a magic tree, YOU ARE A HORRIBLE PERSON! YOU ARE EVIL! YOU DESERVE DEATH! YOU DESERVE TO BE TORTURED AND LEFT SCREAMING IN FIRE FOREVER AND EVER UNLESS YOU REPENT, GIVE YOURSELF TO JESUS AND (all together now...) [font size=5]OBEY!!![/font]

Yeah, that's also appropriate to teach to impressionable and emotionally vulnerable kindergartners! If I had kids, I'd sign them right up!

Worse yet, their tactics are to get into public schools, and pretend as much as possible that they're just another class for the kids. One club, when told to take their toxic theology out of the local elementary school, and in return, being offered more space in the Baptist church across the street, refused. They want to be in the school. When possible, they try to get a fundamentalist teacher or teacher's aid or volunteer in the school to also lead the Good News Club. To the kids, they don't know the difference, they think it's just another class - English, Math, Science, Bible! Taught by authoritatively speaking adults, often school staff - what better way to force the Jesus-Aid down their little throats? To the kids, it's another class. To the courts, it's an after-school club that of course doesn't violate separation of church and state by sticking itself remora-like to a public school.

A little video on Good News Clubs:

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If Good News Clubs have to be allowed, why not elementary clubs for no_hypocrisy Mar 2013 #1
Dawkins et al discussed this. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #3
They would have to accept all of those and would likely lose any judicial challenge cbayer Mar 2013 #4
Frightening. An expose was published last year: cbayer Mar 2013 #2
Good info here! n/t backscatter712 Mar 2013 #22
How Christian fundamentalists plan to teach genocide to schoolchildren (Katherine Stewart) struggle4progress Mar 2013 #44
Careful..this will get you branded as a "bigot" skepticscott Mar 2013 #5
Let me know how the alert goes. n/t backscatter712 Mar 2013 #6
Oh, they won't have the stones to alert on you skepticscott Mar 2013 #8
Just watched that entire video today nonoyes Mar 2013 #7
Parents can stop them. Participation in these clubs is always voluntary. cbayer Mar 2013 #9
Actually, if you watched the video and read the court's decision, - nonoyes Mar 2013 #10
Which court case are you referring to? cbayer Mar 2013 #11
You didn't view the video, That would be the United States Supreme Court, 2001. nonoyes Mar 2013 #13
Right, they have to open the door the same as they do for any other activities. cbayer Mar 2013 #14
Actually, all other activities do not enjoy that same privilege nonoyes Mar 2013 #18
You are reading it wrong. cbayer Mar 2013 #19
I am quoting from the video from a human rights lawyer nonoyes Mar 2013 #20
Here's another legal strategy. Schools can prohibit abuse & discrimination in their facilities. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #23
That's pretty good SpartanDem Mar 2013 #26
Eric Cernyar, who's an attorney that is working with Dawkins and Stewart, is doing this. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #28
Sounds like a plan IrishAyes Mar 2013 #45
Wrong. Read your own article SpartanDem Mar 2013 #24
Some schools have done that. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #25
Firstly, that is not "my own article" nor is it written by a man. nonoyes Mar 2013 #27
It's a quote in the article you linked to SpartanDem Mar 2013 #29
I think you don't read nor post very accurately nonoyes Mar 2013 #32
One more thing - I can't watch the video because of my location, but I did take the time cbayer Mar 2013 #12
Happy to know you are investigating this. nonoyes Mar 2013 #15
Yes, I know. I posted links to several in my first response to this OP. cbayer Mar 2013 #16
I looked at the video and have several reactions. Thats my opinion Mar 2013 #17
Here's another video - a mini-presentation about the lessons taught in Good News Clubs. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #21
Religion is cool. rrneck Mar 2013 #30
On one t-shirt from last week that made me laugh: backscatter712 Mar 2013 #31
Lots of people walk away from xtianity because it crushes your self-esteem and your soul. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #33
And yet others find that it nurtures them and makes them better people. cbayer Mar 2013 #34
I agree - some of the core teachings of Christianity are toxic, to be blunt. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #35
Original sin is not a concept shared by most mainline protestant denominations. cbayer Mar 2013 #36
It's what I was taught when I was a kid. I grew up going to a mainline Presbyterian church. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #37
When I was a kid, the only people I knew who were cbayer Mar 2013 #38
Why do you always assume skepticscott Mar 2013 #40
The concept of original sin and the sinful nature of man is common in Protestant denominations. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #42
Do you have a list of those that do and those that don't? cbayer Mar 2013 #47
Not on me. (Edit, found some info) backscatter712 Mar 2013 #48
Thanks. I was having trouble finding any list at all. cbayer Mar 2013 #49
I was raised ELCA Lutheran, and original sin is part of its dogma. trotsky Mar 2013 #64
Calvinism still has deep roots in American culture and identity n/t arcane1 Apr 2013 #68
Well, let's see skepticscott Mar 2013 #39
It was in the mainline Protestant church I grew up in. trotsky Mar 2013 #41
I go through this argument all the time on DU. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #43
Wow, I didn't know I was dealing with the definitive word on christianity here. cbayer Mar 2013 #46
I looked up the disciples of christ confession of faith. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #50
I got nothing? Where did you see something about original sin there? cbayer Mar 2013 #51
The part about Jesus being the Savior. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #52
That's not logical at all. There are all kinds of sin and many are taught cbayer Mar 2013 #53
I'm using their logic, not my logic. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #54
Again, you are basing all your assumptions on a limited knowledge of different denominations. cbayer Mar 2013 #55
Citations needed. Back up your statements. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #56
christiananswers.net? cbayer Mar 2013 #57
What's your source? Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #58
Bingo! IrishAyes Mar 2013 #62
I was raised similarly to you - respect other's beliefs or lack of beliefs as long cbayer Mar 2013 #63
Original sin is a made-up doctrine.You Will never hear about it in most liberal churches--never! Thats my opinion Mar 2013 #65
You say you were never taught about original sin. Curmudgeoness Mar 2013 #59
I was taught bible stories as metaphors and lessons for living. cbayer Mar 2013 #60
It's a story! nt Thats my opinion Mar 2013 #66
You're preaching to the choir. Curmudgeoness Mar 2013 #67
George W. Bush's DOJ worked on behalf of these bastards. Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #61
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