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ButterflyBlood

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30. I'm still a Christian so I accept the Nicene Creed

Wed Mar 6, 2013, 02:24 AM

Mar 2013

So the premise is kind of a false dichotomy. In fact a big part of wanting to get out of Catholicism was separating that from all the Catholic dogma and the hierarchy. As for being baptized as a baby, I was baptized against last year, so that should give you an idea how much value or purpose I place in that. I will not let something I had no say in have any effect on my life.

Abortion and gay marriage are really peripheral issues to me rejecting Catholicism, I think the church is terribly wrong on them, but even if they changed their views and allowed married and female priests, there's still far too much Catholic theology I'm quite uncomfortable with (Transubstantiation, Mariology, their views of baptism and original sin, the idea of the confession sacrament being required are all examples.)

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3 Reasons Pro-Choice and Pro-LGBT Folks Won't Leave the Catholic Church [View all] cbayer Mar 2013 OP

The article, at the end, apples/oranges compares other organized religions to Catholicism saying.... Moonwalk Mar 2013 #1

+10000000000000 cleanhippie Mar 2013 #2

Catholics for Choice - pinto Mar 2013 #3

You might consider posting your thoughtful reply directly to the author. cbayer Mar 2013 #4

I will certainly do so. Moonwalk Mar 2013 #7

Since you posted the article here skepticscott Mar 2013 #20

Great points all around Meshuga Mar 2013 #13

They can't really be described as Pro-LGBT, then. n/t Plantaganet Mar 2013 #5

Why not? Are they not permitted to have individual positions that differ from their church? cbayer Mar 2013 #6

Moonwalk's response addresses this brilliantly. Plantaganet Mar 2013 #22

I strongly disagree. cbayer Mar 2013 #23

No, it's the members who won't leave who are allowing skepticscott Mar 2013 #25

Personal meanings = 0 unless they fit the "right" category. wow! That's opposite the life of Christ, patrice Mar 2013 #42

Why care about reforming the Catholic Church? Why not just be something else? ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #8

Very good questions! backscatter712 Mar 2013 #9

I guess if you are the kind of person that thinks homeless people should be pepper sprayed cbayer Mar 2013 #11

When you can't cruelly defend your position, make an absurd ad hom attack instead. cleanhippie Mar 2013 #12

Only if they're violently assaulting you or threatening to do so. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #14

In the case described, no one was being "violently assaulted". cbayer Mar 2013 #15

He was threatened, and that's enough. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #16

Why pepper spray someone when you can just walk away? cbayer Mar 2013 #17

He tried walking away at first, the guy followed him. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #18

You are reading far more into it than I did, but that's ok. cbayer Mar 2013 #19

The author outlines a number of reasons why one might choose to stay. cbayer Mar 2013 #10

It's not a matter of what "works", and you know that skepticscott Mar 2013 #21

I was quite surprised to learn of people that make a fuss about it, as my family never did ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #34

That's really helpful in terms of understanding why it was not particularly cbayer Mar 2013 #35

Again, your decision is unique to you, but I respect the individual decision cbayer Mar 2013 #27

For some, it isn't about reforming the RC church. It's more about honestly being who you know patrice Mar 2013 #28

Those are all very interesting and commendable personal opinions of yours. trotsky Mar 2013 #29

I'm still a Christian so I accept the Nicene Creed ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #30

Some people have some pretty superstitious notions about what the Transbustantiation is. Vatican II patrice Mar 2013 #31

What you are describing sounds more like memorialism, not the RCC position ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #33

Oh? I lived it with thousands of others. 45 years of my life. Catholic schools, except patrice Mar 2013 #38

You're defining transubstantiation as far broader than what I'm referring to ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #49

I always found Communion to be most powerful on a symbolic level. kwassa Mar 2013 #36

Sharing food: it's all so deeply human & therefore catholic, with a small c. patrice Mar 2013 #39

I think the process of trying to know the divine ... kwassa Mar 2013 #40

Yes it is! I'm glad you said that. This thread is so much more respectful than this kind of issue patrice Mar 2013 #41

It would be great if it was always like this. kwassa Mar 2013 #43

Symbolic communion is memorialism ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #50

This will clarify everything. kwassa Mar 2013 #51

The last bit is what I agree with ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #52

You forgot skepticscott Mar 2013 #53

This is all well and good, but at which point is enough is enough SpartanDem Mar 2013 #24

I agree that at some point you are better leaving, but respect the choice of those cbayer Mar 2013 #26

And at what point skepticscott Mar 2013 #46

Many American grassroots Catholics don't pay that much attention to the pope. And some of those patrice Mar 2013 #32

The pope doesn't own the faith. Nor do the cardinals or bishops. kwassa Mar 2013 #37

There's a quote from Anna Lapp� - Plantaganet Mar 2013 #44

Correct me if I'm wrong, kwassa, Episcopalians ordain women and have a Gay bishop. In my universe, patrice Mar 2013 #45

I agree. The current head of the Episcopal church is a woman. kwassa Mar 2013 #54

Since attendance in Europe has fallen off a cliff, that must mean that only lgbt people Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #47

Number four: Zoeisright Mar 2013 #48