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IrishAyes

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45. Sounds like a plan

Wed Mar 6, 2013, 10:40 AM

Mar 2013

But when you get to actual operation, what do you do when all the local school officials don't have a spare brain cell among them? Let me tell you something - people in RedNeckLand, no matter where it exists, don't give a fig about ethics or even about what might actually be their personal spiritual duty to God or the rest of mankind. ALL they care about is power - getting their own way no matter who squawks.

Even if a school superintendant objected and tried to stand against the pitchfork mob, his job and maybe his life wouldn't last long. Someone more pliable would be put in place and the rampage against the innocent would continue. At least by the time they had any dissidents pinned to the wallboard if not worse, then they'd start on each other. If you think most of the fundies consider Catholics to be Christian, you've got another think coming. I identify as Christian, but I'm liberal enough they all consider me a heretic. I'd bet my own life that if you scratch the surface of any fundie, you'll find American Taliban underneath. That's all they are - terrorists. Some day a lot of people will have more to answer for than they can imagine.

Left unchecked, this could prove the spark of open civil war. There are already people in this flyspeck town where I retired with that gleam of mob madness in their eyes. All they're waiting for is enough public affirmation and stockpiled weapons to 'take this country back for Jesus!' Then God help anyone in their way. Their hearts are full of nothing but hate and bloodlust.

I seldom pass up a chance to point that I don't believe in having secular politics at church or religion of any sort in the schools. Just that and standing fast on Democratic principles has already brought death threats, which the authorities dismiss lightly as being fully justifiable under free speech. If and when they actually kill you, call us and THEN we MIGHT take a report.

Long story short, it's not the atheists I'm worried about.

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Good News Clubs: Psychologically abusing your children in a public elementary school near you! [View all] backscatter712 Mar 2013 OP

If Good News Clubs have to be allowed, why not elementary clubs for no_hypocrisy Mar 2013 #1

Dawkins et al discussed this. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #3

They would have to accept all of those and would likely lose any judicial challenge cbayer Mar 2013 #4

Frightening. An expose was published last year: cbayer Mar 2013 #2

Good info here! n/t backscatter712 Mar 2013 #22

How Christian fundamentalists plan to teach genocide to schoolchildren (Katherine Stewart) struggle4progress Mar 2013 #44

Careful..this will get you branded as a "bigot" skepticscott Mar 2013 #5

Let me know how the alert goes. n/t backscatter712 Mar 2013 #6

Oh, they won't have the stones to alert on you skepticscott Mar 2013 #8

Just watched that entire video today nonoyes Mar 2013 #7

Parents can stop them. Participation in these clubs is always voluntary. cbayer Mar 2013 #9

Actually, if you watched the video and read the court's decision, - nonoyes Mar 2013 #10

Which court case are you referring to? cbayer Mar 2013 #11

You didn't view the video, That would be the United States Supreme Court, 2001. nonoyes Mar 2013 #13

Right, they have to open the door the same as they do for any other activities. cbayer Mar 2013 #14

Actually, all other activities do not enjoy that same privilege nonoyes Mar 2013 #18

You are reading it wrong. cbayer Mar 2013 #19

I am quoting from the video from a human rights lawyer nonoyes Mar 2013 #20

Here's another legal strategy. Schools can prohibit abuse & discrimination in their facilities. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #23

That's pretty good SpartanDem Mar 2013 #26

Eric Cernyar, who's an attorney that is working with Dawkins and Stewart, is doing this. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #28

Sounds like a plan IrishAyes Mar 2013 #45

Wrong. Read your own article SpartanDem Mar 2013 #24

Some schools have done that. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #25

Firstly, that is not "my own article" nor is it written by a man. nonoyes Mar 2013 #27

It's a quote in the article you linked to SpartanDem Mar 2013 #29

I think you don't read nor post very accurately nonoyes Mar 2013 #32

One more thing - I can't watch the video because of my location, but I did take the time cbayer Mar 2013 #12

Happy to know you are investigating this. nonoyes Mar 2013 #15

Yes, I know. I posted links to several in my first response to this OP. cbayer Mar 2013 #16

I looked at the video and have several reactions. Thats my opinion Mar 2013 #17

Here's another video - a mini-presentation about the lessons taught in Good News Clubs. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #21

Religion is cool. rrneck Mar 2013 #30

On one t-shirt from last week that made me laugh: backscatter712 Mar 2013 #31

Lots of people walk away from xtianity because it crushes your self-esteem and your soul. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #33

And yet others find that it nurtures them and makes them better people. cbayer Mar 2013 #34

I agree - some of the core teachings of Christianity are toxic, to be blunt. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #35

Original sin is not a concept shared by most mainline protestant denominations. cbayer Mar 2013 #36

It's what I was taught when I was a kid. I grew up going to a mainline Presbyterian church. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #37

When I was a kid, the only people I knew who were cbayer Mar 2013 #38

Why do you always assume skepticscott Mar 2013 #40

The concept of original sin and the sinful nature of man is common in Protestant denominations. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #42

Do you have a list of those that do and those that don't? cbayer Mar 2013 #47

Not on me. (Edit, found some info) backscatter712 Mar 2013 #48

Thanks. I was having trouble finding any list at all. cbayer Mar 2013 #49

I was raised ELCA Lutheran, and original sin is part of its dogma. trotsky Mar 2013 #64

Calvinism still has deep roots in American culture and identity n/t arcane1 Apr 2013 #68

Well, let's see skepticscott Mar 2013 #39

It was in the mainline Protestant church I grew up in. trotsky Mar 2013 #41

I go through this argument all the time on DU. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #43

Wow, I didn't know I was dealing with the definitive word on christianity here. cbayer Mar 2013 #46

I looked up the disciples of christ confession of faith. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #50

I got nothing? Where did you see something about original sin there? cbayer Mar 2013 #51

The part about Jesus being the Savior. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #52

That's not logical at all. There are all kinds of sin and many are taught cbayer Mar 2013 #53

I'm using their logic, not my logic. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #54

Again, you are basing all your assumptions on a limited knowledge of different denominations. cbayer Mar 2013 #55

Citations needed. Back up your statements. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #56

christiananswers.net? cbayer Mar 2013 #57

What's your source? Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #58

Bingo! IrishAyes Mar 2013 #62

I was raised similarly to you - respect other's beliefs or lack of beliefs as long cbayer Mar 2013 #63

Original sin is a made-up doctrine.You Will never hear about it in most liberal churches--never! Thats my opinion Mar 2013 #65

You say you were never taught about original sin. Curmudgeoness Mar 2013 #59

I was taught bible stories as metaphors and lessons for living. cbayer Mar 2013 #60

It's a story! nt Thats my opinion Mar 2013 #66

You're preaching to the choir. Curmudgeoness Mar 2013 #67

George W. Bush's DOJ worked on behalf of these bastards. Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #61