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skepticscott

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60. No, they're not absolutely, 100% the same

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 08:46 PM

Mar 2013

But point 1 is that simply calling something a "tradition" and saying that it's very difficult to give up does not by itself justify sticking with it in the face of fundamental moral and anti-progressive issues.

If you discovered that the Catholic Church was using slave labor to help run the Vatican and if they publicly declared that they would never stop doing that, no matter what any lay Catholics said or did, would you still keep going to Catholic Church, tossing money in the collection plate, and proudly calling yourself a Catholic, rather than abandon the church for another faith community? Is there NO moral transgression by the RCC that would make you leave? And if the support of slavery would make you leave, why does the support of other fundamental violations of fundamental human rights NOT induce you to leave?

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... trotsky Mar 2013 #18

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