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In reply to the discussion: so the GD thread got locked, but atheism as a religion? [View all]struggle4progress
(126,661 posts)15. Atheism and Agnosticism
... these words are what Wittgenstein called family resemblance words. That is, we cannot expect to find a set of necessary and sufficient conditions for their use. Their use is appropriate if a fair number of the conditions are satisfied. Moreover even particular members of the families are often imprecise, and sometimes almost completely obscure. Sometimes a person who is really an atheist may describe herself, even passionately, as an agnostic because of unreasonable generalised philosophical scepticism which would preclude us from saying that we know anything whatever except perhaps the truths of mathematics and formal logic ...
The word theism exhibits family resemblance in another direction. For example should a pantheist call herself an atheist? Or again should belief in Plato's Form of the Good or in John Leslie's idea of God as an abstract principle that brings value into existence count as theism ... ?
... The heathen may worship stocks and stones but does not see them as merely stocks and stones. More and more adequate conceptions of God still portray God as limited in various respects. A fully adequate conception of God, Findlay said, would see God as not only unlimited in various admirable properties but also as a necessarily existing being. Thus There is one and only one God would have to be a logically necessary truth. Now logic, he held, is tautologous and without ontological commitment. So God's necessary existence would have to be something different from logical necessity. The trouble is how to see what this could be ...
... let us consider the appropriateness or otherwise of someone (call him Philo) describing himself as a theist, atheist or agnostic. I would suggest that if Philo estimates the various plausibilities to be such that on the evidence before him the probability of theism comes out near to one he should describe himself as a theist and if it comes out near zero he should call himself an atheist, and if it comes out somewhere in the middle he should call himself an agnostic. There are no strict rules about this classification because the borderlines are vague. If need be, like a middle-aged man who is not sure whether to call himself bald or not bald, he should explain himself more fully. This of course assumes that, unlike Huxley, he does not wish to use ism words at all. Gilbert Ryle once wrote an article against, though not absolutely against, ism words ...
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/
The word theism exhibits family resemblance in another direction. For example should a pantheist call herself an atheist? Or again should belief in Plato's Form of the Good or in John Leslie's idea of God as an abstract principle that brings value into existence count as theism ... ?
... The heathen may worship stocks and stones but does not see them as merely stocks and stones. More and more adequate conceptions of God still portray God as limited in various respects. A fully adequate conception of God, Findlay said, would see God as not only unlimited in various admirable properties but also as a necessarily existing being. Thus There is one and only one God would have to be a logically necessary truth. Now logic, he held, is tautologous and without ontological commitment. So God's necessary existence would have to be something different from logical necessity. The trouble is how to see what this could be ...
... let us consider the appropriateness or otherwise of someone (call him Philo) describing himself as a theist, atheist or agnostic. I would suggest that if Philo estimates the various plausibilities to be such that on the evidence before him the probability of theism comes out near to one he should describe himself as a theist and if it comes out near zero he should call himself an atheist, and if it comes out somewhere in the middle he should call himself an agnostic. There are no strict rules about this classification because the borderlines are vague. If need be, like a middle-aged man who is not sure whether to call himself bald or not bald, he should explain himself more fully. This of course assumes that, unlike Huxley, he does not wish to use ism words at all. Gilbert Ryle once wrote an article against, though not absolutely against, ism words ...
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/
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And when I say I don't believe there are unicorns or mermaids, is that a religion?
djean111
Mar 2013
#76
No, it's not. But that doesn't stop believers from falsely equivocating it with one, seemingly to
cleanhippie
Mar 2013
#3
But then we have to have scripture and liturgy and dogma and clergy and sects and evangelism ...
Fumesucker
Mar 2013
#4
Religion is not just "millionaire hucksters ... in thousand dollar suits on TV"
Fortinbras Armstrong
Mar 2013
#33
BAAA BAAA Can you splain the need for an int'l organization of atheists
corneliamcgillicutty
Mar 2013
#61
Teachers at a Lansing public middle school were handing out Chick Tracts to students
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 2013
#94
Of course its not a religion funny how the thumpers always try to turn it into one......
bowens43
Mar 2013
#7
Because saying "there is no God" is just as much an act of faith as saying there is a God.
Fortinbras Armstrong
Mar 2013
#35
When you respond to what people actually say instead of what you want to hear, I'll respond to
cleanhippie
Mar 2013
#42
It's kind of a joke. Humblebum used to trot that nonsense out at every chance.
cleanhippie
Mar 2013
#58
Oh, but you do have faith in your atheism. You have faith that there can't be a god
BlueCaliDem
Mar 2013
#104
That's your take on it. I *do* know and fully understand what faith means.
BlueCaliDem
Mar 2013
#106
"But even though there is flimsy scientific evidence a Big Bang ever happened,"
edhopper
Mar 2013
#122
you ask if it's possible to reframe atheism as something more positive.
Phillip McCleod
Mar 2013
#38
i happen to agree that there are philosophical implications of atheism..
Phillip McCleod
Mar 2013
#64
Complete bullshit, and what's with the blonde? Is she there to make it complete and udder bullshit?
Dark n Stormy Knight
Mar 2013
#43
Hey, they're on my computer screen. MY PRIVATE PROPERTY COMPUTER SCREEN!!!???!!!!
kwassa
Mar 2013
#112