Religion

Phillip McCleod

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39. you keep insulting and attacking atheists but not atheism.

Reply to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 27, 2013, 10:13 AM

Mar 2013

not a very good style of argument.. ad hominem.. but keep it up.. i for one really appreciate the help making the point that some believers are absolutely bigoted against atheists and will do and say anything, make up any lie, and attack anyone with the most vile and hypocritical verbal spew to keep us on the sidelines.

more to the point.. who reads dawkins or.. heh.. penn gillette?! hey i know they wrote books but who reads that crap? i for one have never read *any* book about atheism. i not only do not acknowledge dawkins, hitches, harris, pz or anyone else to be movement 'leaders'. fact is the first time i heard about any of these dudes it was from unhinged internet *theists* attacking them ad hominem style.

difficult for sheep to understand i know, but most atheists neither have nor desire a shepherd.

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so the GD thread got locked, but atheism as a religion? [View all] snooper2 Mar 2013 OP

my 2 cents GreenRanger Mar 2013 #1

Atheism is a religion under definition 2 Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2013 #32

No it is not MattBaggins Mar 2013 #50

Please, spare us your uninformed "definition" of atheism skepticscott Mar 2013 #70

I was QUOTING the dictionary definition of religion given earlier Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2013 #75

And when I say I don't believe there are unicorns or mermaids, is that a religion? djean111 Mar 2013 #76

Still at it, eh? skepticscott Mar 2013 #80

STILL waiting for you to link to that quote skepticscott Mar 2013 #88

Still trying to find that quote, eh? skepticscott Mar 2013 #108

Atheism is to religion, as barefoot is to shoes. immoderate Mar 2013 #2

No, it's not. But that doesn't stop believers from falsely equivocating it with one, seemingly to cleanhippie Mar 2013 #3

But then we have to have scripture and liturgy and dogma and clergy and sects and evangelism ... Fumesucker Mar 2013 #4

Religion is not just "millionaire hucksters ... in thousand dollar suits on TV" Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2013 #33

you keep insulting and attacking atheists but not atheism. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #39

I highly, HIGHLY resent Brainstormy Mar 2013 #54

that's fine i never said they came from the internet Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #60

You're the one Brainstormy Mar 2013 #74

BAAA BAAA Can you splain the need for an int'l organization of atheists corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #61

Apparently you equate skepticscott Mar 2013 #67

Absolutely not! So non-believers getting together discussing corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #81

I couldn't give a hoot what you consider skepticscott Mar 2013 #84

Touchy, touchy. I posed a legitimate corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #89

Never saw a legitimate question skepticscott Mar 2013 #90

This is getting out of hand. I corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #91

Teachers at a Lansing public middle school were handing out Chick Tracts to students Act_of_Reparation Mar 2013 #94

And your response was snide and snarky from the get-go skepticscott Mar 2013 #98

Interpret as you wish. Conciliatory--no way! Civil. corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #101

The forum? Hardly skepticscott Mar 2013 #109

riiiigggghhhttt. you're not critical.. just.. curious. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #71

I suggest a weekly sacrament. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #5

Religion Without God - Ronald Dworkin Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #6

Buddhism is an example Gore1FL Mar 2013 #12

Of course its not a religion funny how the thumpers always try to turn it into one...... bowens43 Mar 2013 #7

They want so badly to attack atheism.., Iggo Mar 2013 #11

Actually, atheism is just as easy to attack as theism is Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2013 #34

That's attacking a person, not atheism. cleanhippie Mar 2013 #36

Is it as pompous as your pomposity? MattBaggins Mar 2013 #51

His pompotus comes from pure love. PassingFair Mar 2013 #124

How can something that is against religion have religion? Apophis Mar 2013 #8

That's what we are trying to figure out snooper2 Mar 2013 #9

Because saying "there is no God" is just as much an act of faith as saying there is a God. Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2013 #35

Cool story, bro. cleanhippie Mar 2013 #37

Obviously, the one not listening is you. Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2013 #40

When you respond to what people actually say instead of what you want to hear, I'll respond to cleanhippie Mar 2013 #42

militant atheists? RedstDem Mar 2013 #55

It's kind of a joke. Humblebum used to trot that nonsense out at every chance. cleanhippie Mar 2013 #58

I'm not sure why you care so much rbixby Mar 2013 #79

Can you give me a proof for the non existence of unicorns and leprechauns MattBaggins Mar 2013 #52

And is saying "There is no Santa Claus" an act of faith? skepticscott Mar 2013 #59

Great post and logic!!!! corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #62

Four exclamation points usually means skepticscott Mar 2013 #69

NWAR!!!!!! Here's two more for ya. Have fun. corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #83

Stick around skepticscott Mar 2013 #85

Back at ya(s)!!! corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #87

Because Atheists religiously deny that there is no deity (God). BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #102

Except I (or other atheists) don't have faith in our atheism. Apophis Mar 2013 #103

Oh, but you do have faith in your atheism. You have faith that there can't be a god BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #104

You clearly don't understand what faith means. Apophis Mar 2013 #105

That's your take on it. I *do* know and fully understand what faith means. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #106

What you've shown here skepticscott Mar 2013 #107

Wrong. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #114

Nice try skepticscott Mar 2013 #121

You're turning science into nothing but faith. Apophis Mar 2013 #110

That's not at all what I'm doing here. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #111

There is scientific evidence supporting gravity. Apophis Mar 2013 #113

There is ZERO scientific evidence supporting gravity as real. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #115

Wow. Apophis Mar 2013 #116

Do you ever read the posts you respond to? BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #117

Go back to high school and retake some science classes. Apophis Mar 2013 #118

So that's a no. Got it. eom BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #120

This is one reason why some people like maths over physics goldent Mar 2013 #119

I know your tortured logic edhopper Mar 2013 #123

"But even though there is flimsy scientific evidence a Big Bang ever happened," edhopper Mar 2013 #122

Oh dear, not this nonsense yet again... mr blur Mar 2013 #10

just watch the pretty girl dance RedstDem Mar 2013 #56

Atheism is OK. I see atheism as marions ghost Mar 2013 #13

Oh please, not more horseshit about "scientism" skepticscott Mar 2013 #17

Could you be any more mean spirited? marions ghost Mar 2013 #19

Mean spirited? skepticscott Mar 2013 #20

I'll stick with the atheists I know marions ghost Mar 2013 #22

There you go again skepticscott Mar 2013 #30

-----this is so cool marions ghost Mar 2013 #45

Wow, for someone who's had their say skepticscott Mar 2013 #47

won't respond marions ghost Mar 2013 #65

This is some weird shit to read FYI snooper2 Mar 2013 #21

Sorry didn't read your manifesto marions ghost Mar 2013 #23

i think many atheists feel patronized by continuous reframing.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #24

I don't know about this reframing marions ghost Mar 2013 #26

you ask if it's possible to reframe atheism as something more positive. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #38

Intrinsic benefits to the adherant marions ghost Mar 2013 #44

i happen to agree that there are philosophical implications of atheism.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #64

ok interesting marions ghost Mar 2013 #73

we are all humans snooper2 Mar 2013 #25

So if I'm reading correctly marions ghost Mar 2013 #27

Okay.. snooper2 Mar 2013 #28

Good video marions ghost Mar 2013 #29

Atheism is skepticscott Mar 2013 #31

And what are the fundamental skepticscott Mar 2013 #48

There is part of the problem.. so called beliefs MattBaggins Mar 2013 #53

There is no belief in science. Apophis Mar 2013 #41

OK whatever marions ghost Mar 2013 #46

And now you're down to skepticscott Mar 2013 #49

You can see science. Apophis Mar 2013 #63

Matter and anti-matter marions ghost Mar 2013 #66

Woo and woo skepticscott Mar 2013 #68

Various Definitions of Religion struggle4progress Mar 2013 #14

Atheism and Agnosticism struggle4progress Mar 2013 #15

�Religious Freedom� for Atheists struggle4progress Mar 2013 #16

what's bothersome is that years go by and.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #18

Complete bullshit, and what's with the blonde? Is she there to make it complete and udder bullshit? Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2013 #43

Obviously you don't get sarcasm... rexcat Mar 2013 #78

Certainly Atheism is Not a Religion On the Road Mar 2013 #57

it's baaaaaaaaacccckk.. (the GD thread i mean..) Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #72

Has any one ever had Atheists knock on their door and ... JoePhilly Mar 2013 #77

Only on DU. kwassa Mar 2013 #82

Oh...please...show us skepticscott Mar 2013 #86

You misunderstand kwassa Mar 2013 #95

I understand perfectly skepticscott Mar 2013 #97

No one is obligated to answer the knock on the door. kwassa Mar 2013 #99

So atheists on DU tried to protect JoePhilly Mar 2013 #92

No, they tried to convert me to atheism. kwassa Mar 2013 #96

In your face, electronically?? JoePhilly Mar 2013 #100

Hey, they're on my computer screen. MY PRIVATE PROPERTY COMPUTER SCREEN!!!???!!!! kwassa Mar 2013 #112

At least some Mormons have. deucemagnet Mar 2013 #93