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Gregorian

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1. I've been reviewing my old physics courses this week. Somehow this is related.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 01:01 AM
Jan 2012

There are things that aren't intuitive. And that is where our perception and gut feeling fall flat on their face. I do see heated physics arguments. I saw one on a biking forum recently. And funnily enough I saw false information. So there they were, arguing with facts that were wrong. But what strikes me odd is that typically when it comes to things like physics, the arguments are not heated, and they tend to be resolved through experiments or mathematics. But when it comes to religion, much more often there is this charged emotional aspect. I'm embarrassed to reveal my true feelings on Christianity. I have tried to be agnostic, and I logically believe that it's foolish to cling to any belief. But the more I look into the makings of the universe, the more trouble I have in denying something magical is going on.

Somehow this ties in with an experiment I saw. If you take two solid cylinders of any diameter, and any mass, and roll them down an incline, they'll both reach the bottom at the same time. If you take a tube and roll it, it will be slower than any solid cylinder of any size or mass. It's independent of mass or size. It's only dependent on the moment of inertia. If we couldn't show this by experiment, then I suppose people would get in heated arguments. I'd swear the lighter cylinders would reach the bottom first. In fact, maybe religion is charged because we have little more than belief to go on.

I know this isn't really addressing your post. It's about perception, and clinging to belief in the absence of proof. Well, once again I don't have much of a clue. It's an interesting subject. One that no one may answer. After all, if we are created, and wired by a god, then I would suspect we have that god's fingerprints in us. And that would make it hard to abandon being emotional about this subject.

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A conceptual perspective on belief [View all] GliderGuider Jan 2012 OP
I've been reviewing my old physics courses this week. Somehow this is related. Gregorian Jan 2012 #1
I think you might like this GliderGuider Jan 2012 #2
Is there data that unemotional people have systematically different religous beliefs? FarCenter Jan 2012 #8
I don't know of any such research, but it would be interesting to do. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #9
Conscious interpretations tama Jan 2012 #3
"In terms of echo" - that's a nice way of putting it. n/t GliderGuider Jan 2012 #10
My reaction to your first paragraph: Wow, your brain is really impressed with itself. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #4
It's all about reducing emotional reactivity GliderGuider Jan 2012 #5
I didn't say it was nihilism, I said it was a goal of philosophical nihilism: ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #11
I didn't see it as nihilistic until just now when I looked up the word. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #12
But of course the important point is that everything is real GliderGuider Jan 2012 #18
Nihilism developed a century ago with the rise of the French existentialists. Thats my opinion Jan 2012 #21
"Nihilism" is a slippery word. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #22
I'm not sure I want to eliminate the emotional charge associated with life. Jim__ Jan 2012 #6
It's OK, I doubt we can eliminate it all. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #7
This may or may not help. westerebus Jan 2012 #13
That's very good. Thanks! n/t GliderGuider Jan 2012 #16
The begining to preception is observation. westerebus Jan 2012 #19
Judgement and story are related. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #20
Let's go fishing. westerebus Jan 2012 #40
It seems to depend on how one thinks of the Me. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #41
Stokes hearth, boils water. westerebus Jan 2012 #42
I agree. Not sure what Me thinks about it, though :-) GliderGuider Jan 2012 #43
Drops pot. Rejoices. westerebus Jan 2012 #44
Smokes pot. Chills out. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #45
You lost me at "miracle" then ditched me at "second miracle". cleanhippie Jan 2012 #14
It would truly be a miracle GliderGuider Jan 2012 #15
I just did...and it wasn't a miracle. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #17
There are miracles all over the place. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #23
Or, you know, just finding what you look for. darkstar3 Jan 2012 #24
Yep. I love finding what I look for. That's why I look for fun stuff. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #25
Don't you think that finding a "miracle" when a perfectly plausible explanation exists... cleanhippie Jan 2012 #26
Give me plausible explanations for the existence of: GliderGuider Jan 2012 #27
You need to give me an example of a miracle first. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #28
In that case all we have is a semantic disagreement. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #29
Are they? darkstar3 Jan 2012 #31
No, just the incomprehensible stuff that feels wonderful or amazing - it's a colloquial usage. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #33
Because the words we choose reflect more than just what is on the surface. darkstar3 Jan 2012 #38
Language is funny that way. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #39
Agreed. And yes, I do. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #32
So if there were no humans, time would not exist? GliderGuider Jan 2012 #34
What you are calling "time" is a human construct. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #35
Uh, no. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #36
*consults dictionary.com* Oh, you're right. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #37
...and sexual innuendo in Disney art? darkstar3 Jan 2012 #30
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