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skepticscott

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21. I have no problem with the term
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:17 PM
Apr 2013

I have a problem when it is applied with hypocrisy, rather than objectively, to do nothing more than smear people whose arguments can't be answered legitimately. You're the one who posted the authoritative definition, not me. And now you're brought up short when you discover that it applies just as well to the way people on this site act towards Republicans as it does to what Dawkins allegedly says about Muslims? Tough shit.

Here's a classic example (only one of a multitude, btw):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6477614

"REPUBLICANS ARE ASSHOLES" This sentiment is greeted with praise. But imagine Dawkins or some atheist here posting the sentiment "Muslims are assholes", or "Catholics are assholes". Somehow THAT would be labeled with the smear of "bigotry", but not the other. Why would that be? Is it because one is more objectively true as a blanket statement than the others? Is it because ALL Republicans ARE assholes, but no Muslims or Catholics are? No. Is it because Republicans as a group and as individuals have done destructive and despicable things, but Muslims and Catholics never have and never do? No. Is it because one is less "hateful" or "intolerant" than the others? No.

If you're having trouble, here's a hint. It's because religionists expect and demand that their opinions, beliefs, practices and faith be given a special degree of deference and immunity from criticism or ridicule that is afforded no other system of thought or belief. It's because they as a group feel they're entitled to special protection from anything bad that anyone might say about them.

So tell us again...why is anything that Dawkins has said about Muslims worse in any objective way than what people here say about Republicans every day? Why does one deserve praise and the other a smear? Other than that religious folk feel entitled to special complaining and a special word to label their critics.

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i love all these stories on the new new atheists.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #1
I grant you it's not as entertaining as posting cartoons. rug Apr 2013 #2
mm. i agree, and heartily approve. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #3
I like your post. longship Apr 2013 #6
thx! and, true no doubt it will be spun that way.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #7
+100 We may share a lack of belief, but tactics and attitudes vary tremendously. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #8
i don't think dawkins or harris give all atheists a bad name. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #9
I agree that they didn't give all atheists a bad name. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #17
It is not judgement "based solely on religious belief" skepticscott Apr 2013 #24
Judgement of actions is totally valid. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #27
Dawkins wrote "Islam greatest force for evil today" – wow! cpwm17 Apr 2013 #29
Couldn't agree more. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #39
Why does it make Dawkjns a bigot skepticscott Apr 2013 #32
Because he says "But often say Islam greatest force for evil today" Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #34
Islam is a motivator and justifier of actions skepticscott Apr 2013 #40
Wrong. Islam is used as a motivator by extremists. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #41
Ah, so all of those people who claim skepticscott Apr 2013 #42
Do you sit around all day making this shit up? Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #44
Try again skepticscott Apr 2013 #48
You just exposedyourself for the hate mongering bigot that you are Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #49
In case you were wondering skepticscott Apr 2013 #43
"But I feel only compassion for the members of the flock..........." dimbear Apr 2013 #25
Of course, and sometimes I do, but not by attacking and insulting them. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #28
If in fact Allah is as imaginary as Yahweh, then killing people in His name loses its attractive dimbear Apr 2013 #4
That's how I feel about Nationalism. rug Apr 2013 #5
Is Dawkins any more bigoted against Muslims skepticscott Apr 2013 #10
You think Democrats are bigoted against republicans? rug Apr 2013 #12
Are you saying no one on this site skepticscott Apr 2013 #13
I'm saying anyone who calls opposition to republicans bigotry has a problem with the term. rug Apr 2013 #15
How about opposition to leftists that manifests in massive campaigns to murder and malign them? eomer Apr 2013 #19
I have no problem with the term skepticscott Apr 2013 #21
What does Islam have to do with politics. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #18
You are slicing it the wrong way. eomer Apr 2013 #20
Bigotry is a state of mind based on prejudice. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #30
Has Dawkins said that he hates all religious people skepticscott Apr 2013 #33
What do child rapists have to do with religion or Dawkins? Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #36
If religion were only about "personal spiritual belief" skepticscott Apr 2013 #22
more to the point Islamism and Jihadism are political concepts. Mosby Apr 2013 #31
I agree. Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #38
Religion is up for discussion too. eomer Apr 2013 #35
It was in response to post#10 Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #37
Evidence that Dawkins is an extremist? Humanist_Activist Apr 2013 #45
Sure. Those who are intolerant of believers Starboard Tack Apr 2013 #46
OK, and evidence that Dawkins is like that? n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2013 #47
It's a predictable strategy... MellowDem Apr 2013 #11
Excellent response... rexcat Apr 2013 #14
I presume you're using a rhetorical "you". rug Apr 2013 #16
“There is no such thing as “Islamophobia.” Really? Jim__ Apr 2013 #23
Really... MellowDem Apr 2013 #50
Calling muslims savages qualifies as Islamophobia. Jim__ Apr 2013 #52
It's simply bigotry, it has nothing to do with the belief system... MellowDem Apr 2013 #53
You can keep putting lipstick on that pig; it ain't getting any prettier. Jim__ Apr 2013 #54
You can keep being intellectually dishonest, I'll keep smacking down your non-arguments nt MellowDem Apr 2013 #55
The whole point is to stop conflating legitimate criticism of religion with ethnic animus. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #56
Sam Harris is the poster child for an Islamophobe cpwm17 Apr 2013 #26
He doesn't consider them fully human? MellowDem Apr 2013 #51
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