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mike_c

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94. when religious delusions are used to justify bigotry...

Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:36 PM

Jan 2012

...drawing a line between religion and bigotry is a distinction without a difference. The majority of religious people that I've known use their religious beliefs to justify some form of bigotry, even if only against people who suffer from other flavors of delusion. You're correct-- religion doesn't MAKE them bigots, but it provides them with tools for justifying and expressing their bigotry.

Don't be disingenuous and pretend that there isn't any connection, especially between socially conservative evangelical christians and rampant bigotry. The two go hand in hand.

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Conservative Christian parents fight for right to discriminate against LGBT students [View all] cleanhippie Jan 2012 OP

I'm not up-to-date on congressional district lines in Minnesota anymore, but Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #1

This is backlash to the school districts proposal to change the cbayer Jan 2012 #2

I think it is the fear of being labled a "bigot" that allows these things to get this far along. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #3

The problem as I see it is trying to paint a highly diverse group cbayer Jan 2012 #4

Well, you have your opinon and I have mine. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #5

Yes, that is why you are an atheist. And you are entitled to that opinion. cbayer Jan 2012 #6

I also thought part of the scientific method was to prove a hypothesis Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #8

Another part of it is to describe things with precision. rug Jan 2012 #14

My god created everything and is the master of the universe Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #17

That may be another article but it's not this one. rug Jan 2012 #21

For the most part I find your responses add Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #25

Bigots usually have trouble telling people apart. rug Jan 2012 #27

Are you calling me a bigot?? Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #31

Do you consider religion in general, and Christianity, specifically, to be monolithic? rug Jan 2012 #33

I asked a question and you did not answer it Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #38

The answer to your question is the same as your answers to my questions. rug Jan 2012 #42

I asked if you were calling me a bigot Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #46

Your answer to my two question will provide the answer to your question. rug Jan 2012 #48

I am asking myself if you are old enough to post on DU Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #49

I am asking myself why you refuse to answer a dispositive question. rug Jan 2012 #50

Go to post #31 Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #52

See, this is how it works. rug Jan 2012 #60

LOL ............ Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #63

Great answer. rug Jan 2012 #65

Well played point, his serve next I think Leontius Jan 2012 #93

Your really add a lot to the conversation. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #95

Doesn't take much Leontius Jan 2012 #96

Again, you really show how just one more voice adds so much. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #99

Pay no attention. He thinks he is being clever by calling you a bigot, but not really calling you a cleanhippie Jan 2012 #71

Wow. For someone who says "take my word for it" regarding the scientific method cleanhippie Jan 2012 #11

"No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong." cbayer Jan 2012 #84

Did you have a point? cleanhippie Jan 2012 #85

You evidently didn't go on to college logic class, wherein MarkCharles Jan 2012 #45

See, there you go again. Starting off with a rude insult. cbayer Jan 2012 #78

Well, your statement of the scientific method was kind of silly. Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #79

The 7th grade reference was in light of another post here where I cbayer Jan 2012 #80

TOTAL MISREPRESENTAION OF THE FACTS! Stop making things up, cbayer. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #83

Actually, you started it off with an insult to everyone's intelligence cleanhippie Jan 2012 #81

Nothing is rude about pointing out a fallacy in logical thinking. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #82

I'm sorry are any NONreligious people pushing for these things to be taught? dmallind Jan 2012 #108

Not that I know of. The groups pushing it seem to be 100% bigoted fundamentalists. cbayer Jan 2012 #109

So in what way is it incorrect to say religion is pushing this agenda? dmallind Jan 2012 #110

If you wish to conflate all religion into one group, that's your perogative, cbayer Jan 2012 #111

When else does language work this way? dmallind Jan 2012 #112

It works this way everywhere, imo. It depends where you draw the line as to whether cbayer Jan 2012 #113

You're ducking the question dmallind Jan 2012 #115

I think it is critical to define the different groups under a broad heading, cbayer Jan 2012 #116

Still ducking - and making things up to boot dmallind Jan 2012 #123

Actually, that is just one person. Its not even a group. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #118

So the 7,001,084 Californians that voted for Prop 8 are all bigoted fundamentlaists? cleanhippie Jan 2012 #117

That is not what I said. cbayer Jan 2012 #119

Wait, you just said that 100% of them pushing that agenda were bigoted fundamentalists. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #120

Quote: "The groups pushing it seem to be 100% bigoted fundamentalists." cbayer Jan 2012 #121

Oh yeah, it's MY mind that is shut, not yours. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #122

Your comment is equating the words "Conservative" and "Christian" in the headline. rug Jan 2012 #7

It is the headline from the article Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #9

He added the comment. rug Jan 2012 #10

Agree. cbayer Jan 2012 #12

These people are using their religion to justify their bigotry Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #15

That's right, "these" people. rug Jan 2012 #19

It doesn't say ALL christians. It doesn't say ALL people. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #24

No, it says rug Jan 2012 #26

It seems as if you are saying that religion itself is above criticism. Is that what you are saying? cleanhippie Jan 2012 #34

What you implied, very clearly, is that religion itself is bigotry. rug Jan 2012 #39

No, you inferred that. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #41

And do you say the article you posted applies to all religion? rug Jan 2012 #43

This article deals with Conservative Christians, as evidenced by the headline. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #53

I must have missed that qualification in your comment. rug Jan 2012 #56

Yep, you must have. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #59

Nope, didn't miss it. rug Jan 2012 #62

Well you are entitled to your opinion. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #67

No, its absence is a fact. rug Jan 2012 #70

when religious delusions are used to justify bigotry... mike_c Jan 2012 #94

Challenge to religion: become a more "wonderful thing" wherein MarkCharles Jan 2012 #51

Absolute bull crap is also part of what one calls irreligion. rug Jan 2012 #54

No, I noticed it in about 5th grade. What I find amazing is.. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #61

You do not want religious belief to be protected by law? rug Jan 2012 #64

Religious belief is not protected by the first amendment, FREE speech is. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #66

And if you speak your religious belief? rug Jan 2012 #68

There is no such thing as governmental endorsements for any ... MarkCharles Jan 2012 #72

Are you saying religious expressions are "expressions . . . of hate"? rug Jan 2012 #75

SOME, not all. What is your view of such expressions? Are they.. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #86

The poster never said all Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #29

Religion, unqualified. rug Jan 2012 #32

I do not diagree with the TOS Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #36

Then alert and let a jury decide. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #16

You're already transparent. rug Jan 2012 #23

As are you. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #40

Actually no. rug Jan 2012 #44

You seem to be making the topic now about me. That makes it personal. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #57

The topic is your broadbrush against religion, using these idiots as the brush. rug Jan 2012 #69

Broadbrushing groups of PEOPLE is against the rules, and you just called a group of people "idiots" cleanhippie Jan 2012 #74

Do you think these bigots you posted about are not idiots? rug Jan 2012 #76

As you did with Angry Dragon, you refuse to answer the question posed to you. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #77

That is the original headline of the article. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #13

The headline qualifiesas "Conservative Christians". rug Jan 2012 #18

Well, you are entitled to your opinion. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #20

But no one is entitled to their bigotry. rug Jan 2012 #22

Then certainly you can show where I exhibit this bigotry, right? cleanhippie Jan 2012 #28

I did, in this very thread. rug Jan 2012 #30

Well, then we strongly disagree that religion is above criticism. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #37

Reframing the issue only avoids the problem. rug Jan 2012 #47

You are entitled to your opinion. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #58

Speaking of being dishonest, you do know that "Conservative" in this case Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #73

No, it's not LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #89

"...including incorporating �ex-gay� therapy into the school resources." Rob H. Jan 2012 #35

Gay people are possessed by Satan! Religious people actually.. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #55

are there OTHER uses for religion? deacon_sephiroth Jan 2012 #87

Yes cbayer Jan 2012 #88

Yes, there are. LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #91

Ugh. Why are the religious right so obsessed with homosexuality? LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #90

Good question. cbayer Jan 2012 #92

No, I think the Occzam's Razor answer is given just below Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #105

I'm guessing that a disproportionate number of them Ken Burch Jan 2012 #98

How could you purge the curriculum any mention of homosexuality Ken Burch Jan 2012 #97

If Christian's are so upset about people slamming this kind of christianity justiceischeap Jan 2012 #100

Precisely. n/t Plantaganet Jan 2012 #102

Excellently stated ! n/t MarkCharles Jan 2012 #103

Yeah, but doing this is so much easier than that! cleanhippie Jan 2012 #104

Agree cbayer Jan 2012 #106

Gay-Related Immune Deficiency? WTF? onager Jan 2012 #101

As I recall, we used that term for all of about 8 months before changing it. cbayer Jan 2012 #107

So much fail my head wants to explode. jeepnstein Jan 2012 #114