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Goblinmonger

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60. Council of Trent?

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 08:02 AM

Apr 2013

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church

There is a literal hell and "eternal fire" is mentioned as a punishment.

1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.” The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs. (393)

To commit a mortal sin, you need to have knowledge of it. If you know of the RCC and don't follow, that's a mortal sin. Those never exposed would not meet the requirements for a mortal sin.

1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God’s law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin. (1734)

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Atheist Richard Dawkins: ‘Indoctrination of religion’ is ‘child abuse’ [View all] rug Apr 2013 OP

Finally, some logic Politicalboi Apr 2013 #1

Did you hear his earlier pronuncements that raising a child Catholic is similar to sexual abuse? rug Apr 2013 #4

Put it in context! This girl was told by her priest that her dead friend was burning in Hell. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #7

Ok, I did. rug Apr 2013 #11

For this girl, religious indoctrination literally was worse than sexual fondling. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #12

Sorry about your experience but I won't extrapolate from it. rug Apr 2013 #16

You do know the one calling it "yucky" Goblinmonger Apr 2013 #14

You do know she was writing in the voice of a seven year old, right? rug Apr 2013 #18

That's a reasonable voice and expression for a seven-year-old. Goblinmonger Apr 2013 #22

But not for a 70 year old ideologue. rug Apr 2013 #23

Um uh, what? Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #44

Read the subthread. rug Apr 2013 #47

Frankly, I doubt the whole story. okasha Apr 2013 #49

I went to Catholic school in the 80s. Goblinmonger Apr 2013 #51

Whoever taught you must have been caught in a time warp, okasha Apr 2013 #54

Council of Trent? Goblinmonger Apr 2013 #60

"Too bad Ursulines weren't your instructors--mine were righteously kick-ass ladies." Act_of_Reparation Apr 2013 #63

I think the victim gets to decide Mariana Apr 2013 #17

That's for her to decide not for him to exploit. rug Apr 2013 #19

Did she want him to publish Mariana Apr 2013 #21

That I don't know. rug Apr 2013 #24

But you have no problem insinuating that which you don't know. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #45

Do you know> rug Apr 2013 #46

Yes, the person who experienced it skepticscott Apr 2013 #26

I see you haven't read the subthread before responding. rug Apr 2013 #28

How do you think I knew skepticscott Apr 2013 #33

Once more you confuse what you think with what you know. rug Apr 2013 #36

Watch Jesus Camp, and tell me many of those kids aren't abused... Humanist_Activist Apr 2013 #2

Let's apply social science. rug Apr 2013 #3

I see it in differences of degree, not kind... Humanist_Activist Apr 2013 #6

That's an important distinction. rug Apr 2013 #8

Do not reference the Movie that shall not be named(TM). Humanist_Activist Apr 2013 #13

What is PSR? rug Apr 2013 #20

Parochial School of Religion... Humanist_Activist Apr 2013 #27

Well, one of the great tragedies of recent decades is poor catechesis. rug Apr 2013 #29

To be honest, if it wasn't for my restless need to read and learn... Humanist_Activist Apr 2013 #34

You can't have faith without doubt. rug Apr 2013 #35

Of course not, but you struggle against the doubt, and find justifications for your faith... Humanist_Activist Apr 2013 #37

How can a doubt have a logical conclusion? rug Apr 2013 #39

Doubts can lead to further questions and inquiries that lead to facts, or even the lack of facts... Humanist_Activist Apr 2013 #40

Star Trek does have an excellent message about omnipotent beings. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #43

H-A You just about frightened me out of my faith! Thats my opinion Apr 2013 #66

Wow! Thats my opinion Apr 2013 #67

The things that most messed me up, were the concept for original sin... Humanist_Activist Apr 2013 #70

Youk bet. That is real child abuse. nt Thats my opinion Apr 2013 #68

This isn't a new claim by Dawkins. longship Apr 2013 #5

I find it more effective to threaten my children with spiders. rug Apr 2013 #9

ROFL. Thx for that one. nt longship Apr 2013 #10

The Magic of Reality by Richard Dawkins – review struggle4progress Apr 2013 #15

This bears repeating: rug Apr 2013 #25

They are. Daemonaquila Apr 2013 #30

They are what? Ignorant or stupid? rug Apr 2013 #32

The whole point of this line of argument okasha Apr 2013 #56

You're painting with a pretty broad brush, aren't you? struggle4progress Apr 2013 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author rug Apr 2013 #31

... 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #41

... rug Apr 2013 #42

Indoctrinating children in anything is child abuse... MellowDem Apr 2013 #48

What do you consider the difference between indoctrination and teaching them your beliefs? rug Apr 2013 #50

It's the difference between indoctrination and education... MellowDem Apr 2013 #52

The righteousness of your indignation depends then on the accuracy of your observation. rug Apr 2013 #53

Why is it overstated? nt MellowDem Apr 2013 #55

Because it's not accurate and exaggerated. rug Apr 2013 #59

What anecdotes or cherry-picking did I provide? MellowDem Apr 2013 #62

You posted nothing in particular. rug Apr 2013 #64

If you believe indoctrinating children is child abuse... MellowDem Apr 2013 #69

Because rug says so, thats why. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #61

I see. So religious indoctrination is child abuse because you say so. rug Apr 2013 #65

I think the "teaching religion is child abuse" thing goldent Apr 2013 #57

I think LostOne4Ever Apr 2013 #58