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22. So your "questions" in #14 were rhetorical gambits

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Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:43 PM

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Burden of proof [View all] moobu2 Apr 2013 OP

I am a follower of Acharya's blog at Freethought Nation. John1956PA Apr 2013 #1

Careful, you'll be tarred as a bigot for criticizing people's beliefs here. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #2

Is it really necessary to paint with such a broad brush here? longship Apr 2013 #35

Is it really necessary to pretend that it doesn't happen here on a regular basis? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #52

the new era of consciousnesses Bravatravels Apr 2013 #3

Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #5

thanks Bravatravels Apr 2013 #10

Well we are happy to have you! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #11

she's certainly popular with the larouche crowd struggle4progress Apr 2013 #4

Summary: struggle4progress Apr 2013 #6

Since she claims Christianity is a conspiracy, then I suppose it's incumbent upon her to prove it. rug Apr 2013 #7

She already has her answer cooked up for that: since she operates struggle4progress Apr 2013 #9

Her burden of proof, which she has more than met, moobu2 Apr 2013 #13

She's far from proven a conspiracy or explained the growth of Christianity in its first centuries. rug Apr 2013 #17

Of course, if "Acharya" wants to discredit biblical literalism, struggle4progress Apr 2013 #23

You can not prove or disprove God. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #8

Why can't the existence of skepticscott Apr 2013 #14

I suppose the answer could depend on your standards for "proof" struggle4progress Apr 2013 #16

Nothing in the physical world skepticscott Apr 2013 #19

So your "questions" in #14 were rhetorical gambits struggle4progress Apr 2013 #22

WTF does THAT even mean? skepticscott Apr 2013 #24

Design an experiment to measure the infinite. rug Apr 2013 #18

WTF does that even mean? skepticscott Apr 2013 #20

The most common definition of God is described in infinite terms. rug Apr 2013 #21

Please, give us the "most common definition of god" skepticscott Apr 2013 #25

Let's see . . . rug Apr 2013 #30

Here's my homework skepticscott Apr 2013 #45

Then I have to give you a D-. rug Apr 2013 #57

the concept of God is infinite. AlbertCat Apr 2013 #66

And your concept of grammar is finite. rug Apr 2013 #68

And your concept of grammar is finite. AlbertCat Apr 2013 #70

Metaphysical hogwash edhopper Apr 2013 #26

Actually you don't. rug Apr 2013 #29

"disprove God"? edhopper Apr 2013 #32

Ah, you must have been talking about scallions. rug Apr 2013 #34

Sorry edhopper Apr 2013 #36

Just the usual ignorant mystic gibberish that you're so fond of. Is it nearly Lent again yet? mr blur Apr 2013 #41

Just the usual bankrupt name-calling you're so fond of. rug Apr 2013 #42

All the things in the bible happened centuries ago. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #27

So if god doesn't make things happen skepticscott Apr 2013 #46

Feeling God's presence is different from God making you better from being sick or making hrmjustin Apr 2013 #47

Of course it's not skepticscott Apr 2013 #50

I tried my best to explain my faith. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #51

So God has never acted edhopper Apr 2013 #15

What I said was you can not prove it either way. I don't believe God decides the ways of this world. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #28

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? edhopper Apr 2013 #31

I do not know God's ways. Why things happen the way they do I know not. I have been asking hrmjustin Apr 2013 #33

I think it is important that you keep questioning edhopper Apr 2013 #37

Good advice! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #39

Unless all you have are questions defacto7 Apr 2013 #49

That's always the danger in these discussions. longship Apr 2013 #38

what I am saying is this. I have an idea what God is. I feel am right but I may not be. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #40

I guess I do not understand the "personal" relationship thing. longship Apr 2013 #43

I always go back to the Psalm 46 I believe that says; hrmjustin Apr 2013 #44

Interesting analogy. longship Apr 2013 #48

When you feel your god's presence and he gives you strength as you have said he does... cleanhippie Apr 2013 #53

No it is God giving you the grace to get through things. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #54

And if he didn't give you "the grace to get through things"... cleanhippie Apr 2013 #55

What I am saying is God does not decide the day to day events of humans. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #56

But you are saying exactly that, it seems. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #58

I do see your point. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #59

When you pray, are you not asking your god to intervene? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #60

Well in some cases you can say people can be giving up responsibility. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #61

So when your god gives you something, be it grace, strength, or a new car... cleanhippie Apr 2013 #62

Yes by giving me the grace to get through something he has given me a confidence and I hrmjustin Apr 2013 #63

And that brings us back full circle and directly contradicts what you said up thread. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #64

Yes but what I am saying is God does not make the decision of what happens in life. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #65

I must strongly disagree. If your god intervenes, he IS deciding how an event will happen. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #67

No because you have to make a choice about whatever your situation is. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #69

If your gods grace does not determine what will happen, why is it needed or asked for at all? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #71

Ok when I say God's grace I do not mean that he will give a favorable reply to a prayer I have made. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #72

I get that, it's mental support. Like fans of a team showing up and cheering for a win, right? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #73

Yes it is mental support. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #74

Mental support is a thing, no matter how subtle. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #75

You do make s good point that by giving that extra bit of help God does have involvement hrmjustin Apr 2013 #76

While at the same time, withholding it at his whim cleanhippie Apr 2013 #77

I don't see it that way but from a logical point of view you can say yes. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #78

I am unable to locate any mention okasha Apr 2013 #12

If you are interested at all in the mythicist hypothesis, look to Robert M. Price, dimbear Apr 2013 #79