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struggle4progress

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23. Of course, if "Acharya" wants to discredit biblical literalism,

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:53 PM

Apr 2013

the proper way to proceed would be to discuss the problems of biblical literalism directly

But "Acharya" proceeds in a different fashion: she herself makes claims which she advances as historical fact, and she pretends to support these claims by assertions which do not withstand scrutiny

It is one thing to say that one does not believe that someone else's claims do not withstand scrutiny. It is an entirely different matter to advance claims oneself that do not withstand scrutiny. But it is risible technique to advance claims oneself, that do not withstand scrutiny, then to argue (as "Acharya" does) that one cannot be accountable for doing so, by saying one advanced these claims in order to debunk someone else's claims (that one does not believe could not withstand scrutiny) because one feels one cannot be held to a higher standard than the person one purports to debunk

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Burden of proof [View all] moobu2 Apr 2013 OP

I am a follower of Acharya's blog at Freethought Nation. John1956PA Apr 2013 #1

Careful, you'll be tarred as a bigot for criticizing people's beliefs here. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #2

Is it really necessary to paint with such a broad brush here? longship Apr 2013 #35

Is it really necessary to pretend that it doesn't happen here on a regular basis? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #52

the new era of consciousnesses Bravatravels Apr 2013 #3

Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #5

thanks Bravatravels Apr 2013 #10

Well we are happy to have you! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #11

she's certainly popular with the larouche crowd struggle4progress Apr 2013 #4

Summary: struggle4progress Apr 2013 #6

Since she claims Christianity is a conspiracy, then I suppose it's incumbent upon her to prove it. rug Apr 2013 #7

She already has her answer cooked up for that: since she operates struggle4progress Apr 2013 #9

Her burden of proof, which she has more than met, moobu2 Apr 2013 #13

She's far from proven a conspiracy or explained the growth of Christianity in its first centuries. rug Apr 2013 #17

Of course, if "Acharya" wants to discredit biblical literalism, struggle4progress Apr 2013 #23

You can not prove or disprove God. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #8

Why can't the existence of skepticscott Apr 2013 #14

I suppose the answer could depend on your standards for "proof" struggle4progress Apr 2013 #16

Nothing in the physical world skepticscott Apr 2013 #19

So your "questions" in #14 were rhetorical gambits struggle4progress Apr 2013 #22

WTF does THAT even mean? skepticscott Apr 2013 #24

Design an experiment to measure the infinite. rug Apr 2013 #18

WTF does that even mean? skepticscott Apr 2013 #20

The most common definition of God is described in infinite terms. rug Apr 2013 #21

Please, give us the "most common definition of god" skepticscott Apr 2013 #25

Let's see . . . rug Apr 2013 #30

Here's my homework skepticscott Apr 2013 #45

Then I have to give you a D-. rug Apr 2013 #57

the concept of God is infinite. AlbertCat Apr 2013 #66

And your concept of grammar is finite. rug Apr 2013 #68

And your concept of grammar is finite. AlbertCat Apr 2013 #70

Metaphysical hogwash edhopper Apr 2013 #26

Actually you don't. rug Apr 2013 #29

"disprove God"? edhopper Apr 2013 #32

Ah, you must have been talking about scallions. rug Apr 2013 #34

Sorry edhopper Apr 2013 #36

Just the usual ignorant mystic gibberish that you're so fond of. Is it nearly Lent again yet? mr blur Apr 2013 #41

Just the usual bankrupt name-calling you're so fond of. rug Apr 2013 #42

All the things in the bible happened centuries ago. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #27

So if god doesn't make things happen skepticscott Apr 2013 #46

Feeling God's presence is different from God making you better from being sick or making hrmjustin Apr 2013 #47

Of course it's not skepticscott Apr 2013 #50

I tried my best to explain my faith. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #51

So God has never acted edhopper Apr 2013 #15

What I said was you can not prove it either way. I don't believe God decides the ways of this world. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #28

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? edhopper Apr 2013 #31

I do not know God's ways. Why things happen the way they do I know not. I have been asking hrmjustin Apr 2013 #33

I think it is important that you keep questioning edhopper Apr 2013 #37

Good advice! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #39

Unless all you have are questions defacto7 Apr 2013 #49

That's always the danger in these discussions. longship Apr 2013 #38

what I am saying is this. I have an idea what God is. I feel am right but I may not be. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #40

I guess I do not understand the "personal" relationship thing. longship Apr 2013 #43

I always go back to the Psalm 46 I believe that says; hrmjustin Apr 2013 #44

Interesting analogy. longship Apr 2013 #48

When you feel your god's presence and he gives you strength as you have said he does... cleanhippie Apr 2013 #53

No it is God giving you the grace to get through things. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #54

And if he didn't give you "the grace to get through things"... cleanhippie Apr 2013 #55

What I am saying is God does not decide the day to day events of humans. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #56

But you are saying exactly that, it seems. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #58

I do see your point. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #59

When you pray, are you not asking your god to intervene? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #60

Well in some cases you can say people can be giving up responsibility. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #61

So when your god gives you something, be it grace, strength, or a new car... cleanhippie Apr 2013 #62

Yes by giving me the grace to get through something he has given me a confidence and I hrmjustin Apr 2013 #63

And that brings us back full circle and directly contradicts what you said up thread. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #64

Yes but what I am saying is God does not make the decision of what happens in life. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #65

I must strongly disagree. If your god intervenes, he IS deciding how an event will happen. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #67

No because you have to make a choice about whatever your situation is. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #69

If your gods grace does not determine what will happen, why is it needed or asked for at all? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #71

Ok when I say God's grace I do not mean that he will give a favorable reply to a prayer I have made. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #72

I get that, it's mental support. Like fans of a team showing up and cheering for a win, right? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #73

Yes it is mental support. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #74

Mental support is a thing, no matter how subtle. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #75

You do make s good point that by giving that extra bit of help God does have involvement hrmjustin Apr 2013 #76

While at the same time, withholding it at his whim cleanhippie Apr 2013 #77

I don't see it that way but from a logical point of view you can say yes. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #78

I am unable to locate any mention okasha Apr 2013 #12

If you are interested at all in the mythicist hypothesis, look to Robert M. Price, dimbear Apr 2013 #79