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BainsBane

(57,751 posts)
9. It's certainly is a 1st word phenomenon
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:18 PM
Apr 2013

Obviously there is no single atheism like there is no single Christianity or Islam, but some of the most ardent atheists I have encountered seem particularly dismissive of any culture or practice that differs from their own. They condemn others, particularly outside the US, while showing no capacity to critique injustice wrought by our own imperialism, both military and cultural. Of course Many religious followers do the same. Those who do so embody exactly what I despise about most organized religion: the idea that they are superior to others based on their relationship with belief or disbelief. All, probably not even most, atheists don't think or behave that way, but some do. I personally see no difference between that and the intolerance displayed by adherents of different religions.

I come from a family where we were taught never to speak ill of another person's religion. In the early 20th century, my grandfather, a Catholic, forbid any religious intolerance to be voiced in his house. While I do not attend religious services of any kind, I took that lesson to heart. I don't care what religion a person practices or doesn't practice. What I care about are particular political positions someone takes. I care how that person treats others, and I judge them as individuals, not because I ascribe a certain set of beliefs to anyone I might associate with that group of believers or non-believers. So I suspect the problem is not really atheism at all but the cultural ethnocentrism that characterizes so many in the United States and Britain. People simply evoke different justifications for their own sense of cultural superiority.

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predestination. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #1
elitism. rug Apr 2013 #2
nah, we are god's chosen people. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #3
a privilege to know you then. rug Apr 2013 #4
the door is always open Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #6
Maybe the better-off don't feel they "need" a god The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2013 #5
I don't know if many broad conclusions can be drawn from this. rug Apr 2013 #7
there is also one thing that many Atheists could learn to steal DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #8
atheists aren't organized at that level.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #11
It's certainly is a 1st word phenomenon BainsBane Apr 2013 #9
Sure, if you just disappear asia, definitely first world. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #10
Well, you realize that's a result of the Communist Party BainsBane Apr 2013 #13
All of east asia. Relatively low levels of religiousity Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #16
So you're saying that Buddhism and Taoism are not religions? BainsBane Apr 2013 #17
generally deity free. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #21
A funny line I heard in Japan... onager Apr 2013 #50
I doubt the accuracy of the statement on the level of religiosity in Asia Leontius Apr 2013 #14
you would. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #18
I see, common knowledge just like wives tales and urban legends Leontius Apr 2013 #26
Data in link posted. As I said, not an extraordinary claim, but common knowledge. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #46
And on that note one must conclude that you have no idea about the link Leontius Apr 2013 #49
You could of course provide your own evidence to falsify my assertion. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #54
it's an international phenomenon. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #12
I don't attack every Atheist BainsBane Apr 2013 #15
(A) bullshit. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #19
You still haven't showed me where I called you a bigot BainsBane Apr 2013 #20
well i'm not surprised you don't remember.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #24
given the way you've represented my prior posts BainsBane Apr 2013 #28
i do not want to make you my enemy. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #31
I have no problem with your critiquing aspects of Islam or any religion BainsBane Apr 2013 #40
and you have called me a bigot against atheists BainsBane Apr 2013 #30
perhaps i should have included.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #32
I think I made myself pretty clear BainsBane Apr 2013 #43
"So I suspect the problem is not really atheism at all " Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #22
whatever? BainsBane Apr 2013 #23
ah yes, this is your other go-to attack.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #25
I am absolutely sure poster you are replying to would NOT enjoy a conversation with me. idwiyo Apr 2013 #27
yeh, me neither. poor as dirt in fact.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #33
You have INTERNET???!!! THAT alone places you into upper middle class by default! idwiyo Apr 2013 #35
awww!! Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #37
What price BainsBane Apr 2013 #29
oh wow. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #34
No, I don't. BainsBane Apr 2013 #41
Here we go again. FEMEN has no right to show support because they are not Muslim. Or something like idwiyo Apr 2013 #38
Some teeth lost during a demonstration against Benedict XVI's homophobia muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #45
Thank you for that information BainsBane Apr 2013 #47
Obviously LostOne4Ever Apr 2013 #36
The differences seem simply to be self-description; from the survey report: struggle4progress Apr 2013 #44
it's for people who think for themselves Skittles Apr 2013 #39
pdf of whole survey here: struggle4progress Apr 2013 #42
Beyond the idea edhopper Apr 2013 #48
What about those who do struggle each day to scrape by who pray and look to God Leontius Apr 2013 #52
By definition, yes, They are choosing faith over reason. edhopper Apr 2013 #53
No, but it is true that educated elites are more likely to accept it... Deep13 Apr 2013 #51
We could flip the framing around: Does religion prey upon the poor? backscatter712 Apr 2013 #55
I've never seen that. rug Apr 2013 #56
Here's an example. Granted, this one's somewhat extreme... backscatter712 Apr 2013 #57
I don't think this is necessarily so... rexcat Apr 2013 #58
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