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LostOne4Ever

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27. You raise some good points
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:00 AM
May 2013

I concede that you raise some good points, but I still think this falls into the category of discrimination.

What if the newspaper/billboard regularly ran ads for catholic churches and synagogues but refused to run an ad for a mosque. Wouldn't that be a case of religious discrimination? Regardless, I don't think the comparisons are apt in any case, as in those examples the owner could turn down the sale to hate groups because their billboard/ newspaper would have their names attached to a property and it would hurt future sales.

The printers does not have that issue as the customer's own the shirts and the company's name is not associated with it. It could not hurt their sales.

As for the free speech side of the argument, I don't see it as them helping promote a message they oppose; but, rather as the printer denying service to someone because of their religious beliefs. Printing the shirts in no way means that they endorse the shirt. Its their customer's slogan, one which states only the customer's opinion upon the existence of god. It does not make disparaging remarks against theist, only states the opinion of the customer.

If the shirts said, "Gotta keep it real Like Bathsheba" or simply "Gotta keep it real like God" would the printer of turned them down? I don't know, but i have my doubts. If they would turn them down, then that would be fine as they are treating all religious beliefs equally. However, if they would print those but not this one, then they are singling out atheists. How is that not religious discrimination?

Further, what actually do they object too? Is it the part about god not being real? If so their objection is against atheism itself. The shirts say nothing against theists. Its like the florist example. Does a florist have the right to refuse service if their flowers are going to be used at a gay wedding?

I admit, in both cases it is a case with a fine line that our government needs to walk between free speech and the right to not be discriminated against.

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Uh huh. Shadowflash May 2013 #1
Absolutely correct, as we've seen may time. mr blur May 2013 #3
Would it be your theory (say) that a printing company owned by a staunch Democrat struggle4progress May 2013 #13
What if it was LostOne4Ever May 2013 #22
In this case, did the printer refuse any and all service, on grounds that the potential customers struggle4progress May 2013 #23
You raise some good points LostOne4Ever May 2013 #27
Aren't there laws against discrimination? hrmjustin May 2013 #2
"Laws, schmaws. People I don't like don't count." 2ndAmForComputers May 2013 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin May 2013 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #11
Maybe I went overboard on that one. hrmjustin May 2013 #19
Why do you find the shirt offensive? Mariana May 2013 #24
Got to be real because God ain't is not my cup of tea. hrmjustin May 2013 #25
There are unlikely to be laws telling printers they have to print any message anybody wants struggle4progress May 2013 #7
They should probably just drive into Salt Lake City: the yellow pages struggle4progress May 2013 #6
TIKI missed an interesting chance. They could have just claimed the shirts were eaten by seagulls. dimbear May 2013 #8
I wonder how people would perceive this story if... backscatter712 May 2013 #9
I'm sure the Jewish group would be refused service Meshuga May 2013 #12
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How does this "insult their faith"? Goblinmonger May 2013 #14
In their world view it is insulting Meshuga May 2013 #15
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Welcome to DU. rug May 2013 #20
You make some good points. hrmjustin May 2013 #17
Welcome to DU and welcome to the religion room. hrmjustin May 2013 #18
I know someone in the tee-shirt printing business goldent May 2013 #21
They should order some shirts that say, "Gotta Be Dickish 'Cause That's How I Am." kysrsoze May 2013 #26
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