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cleanhippie

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168. From that you inferred that I wanted you to shut up?

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Tue May 14, 2013, 03:35 PM

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Today is Ascension Thursday! [View all] hrmjustin May 2013 OP

What accounts are there of Jesus interacting with the public post-resurrection? cleanhippie May 2013 #1

The Gospels have accounts of appearances to the Apostles but no mass sightings. hrmjustin May 2013 #2

So nothing extra-biblical then? cleanhippie May 2013 #3

There are no separate accounts other than the bible. hrmjustin May 2013 #4

It is my understanding that the Romans documented everything. cleanhippie May 2013 #5

Unless they did not want it on the record. hrmjustin May 2013 #6

Now THAT would be a leap of faith to accept. cleanhippie May 2013 #7

Maybe they did not see it. hrmjustin May 2013 #8

Maybe it simply didn't happen. cleanhippie May 2013 #9

There is the possiblity it did happen as well. hrmjustin May 2013 #10

Cleanhippie, do you constantly have to sneer at Christianity? Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #11

I think you meant to link to him not me. hrmjustin May 2013 #12

The religion forum is open to skeptics. If you want to post about zombies and not be challenged Warren Stupidity May 2013 #17

There is an atheists and agnostics forum for skeptics to use Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #19

yes, that is the forum where we dont have to put up with religious nonsense Warren Stupidity May 2013 #21

At what point did I become "nasty" in my conversation with hrmjustin? cleanhippie May 2013 #35

Yes, and there is an Interfaith group for believers to use. This isn't it, so mr blur May 2013 #63

So you believe that one should not celebrate religion in the religion group? Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #73

If you consider questioning dubious claims as sneering, then the problem lies with you. cleanhippie May 2013 #33

because they make it so easy. ChairmanAgnostic May 2013 #34

Suggest you ask him to produce the documents recording the trials and crucifixions okasha May 2013 #13

I just asked him to respond so we shall see. hrmjustin May 2013 #15

And what does this have to do with dead people coming back to life without a single documentation cleanhippie May 2013 #26

Please read and answer okasha's question, post number 13. hrmjustin May 2013 #14

The comparison isn't valid. trotsky May 2013 #18

Straw man. okasha May 2013 #23

He didn't "assert" that. trotsky May 2013 #31

"It is my understanding that the Romans documented everything." Post number 5 hrmjustin May 2013 #36

He didn't say they documented everything, he said it was his understanding that they did. trotsky May 2013 #43

Sorry but he said "everything". hrmjustin May 2013 #48

Well gee yup, he was totally wrong about that since they didn't document their bowel movements. trotsky May 2013 #49

Sure we can move on. The only evidence to date of any of this to this point is the bible. hrmjustin May 2013 #51

Yup, your bible is it. trotsky May 2013 #52

We do not know who wrote the Gospels. hrmjustin May 2013 #53

This is a very honest answer. JNelson6563 May 2013 #54

It is the only answer I can give. hrmjustin May 2013 #58

I guess the next question from me would be.. cleanhippie May 2013 #65

That is a great question. hrmjustin May 2013 #67

Allow me to rephrase. cleanhippie May 2013 #69

Faith in God is not far-fetched. The reality something created us. Why not a God. hrmjustin May 2013 #70

Actually you are doing it justice. cleanhippie May 2013 #72

It does make sense to me but I agree it is not logical. hrmjustin May 2013 #75

You inability to communicate it to me in a coherent manner tells me cleanhippie May 2013 #77

What do you want me to say. hrmjustin May 2013 #79

You've said more than I could have hoped for. cleanhippie May 2013 #81

I am glad. hrmjustin May 2013 #88

"The reality (is) something created us". Warren Stupidity May 2013 #99

By US I mean all of creation. The Universe. hrmjustin May 2013 #111

No really it isn't as it explains nothing, it just adds an additional unnecessary step. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #121

Krauss has backed off his claim to know how a universe came from nothing. Jim__ May 2013 #122

Let me guess - you didn't read Krauss' book, did you? trotsky May 2013 #129

The New York Times is in the habit of publishing book reviews by people who didn't read the book. rug May 2013 #133

The title of Krauss' book is "A Universe from Nothing." Jim__ May 2013 #135

I notice you addressed none of my questions, trotsky May 2013 #136

Actually I addressed all of your questions. Jim__ May 2013 #143

OK, you have fun then! trotsky May 2013 #147

I respect your views I just ask the same. hrmjustin May 2013 #126

I don't respect Fred Phelps' views that homosexuality is wrong. trotsky May 2013 #127

I understand that but I am not those people nor do I hold those views. hrmjustin May 2013 #128

I think you miss the point. trotsky May 2013 #130

I understand that but I was just asking for respect. hrmjustin May 2013 #131

No, you asked that your religious views be given respect. trotsky May 2013 #132

I am not asking for automatic respect but I do not think I deserve not to be respected hrmjustin May 2013 #134

You are not being attacked. Your opinions are being criticized. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #137

I think it is a good thing to have your faith challenged. This is why I post here. hrmjustin May 2013 #138

"have your faith challenged" seems to be not what you want. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #139

Ok I know where I stand with you. Thank you for being honest with me. hrmjustin May 2013 #140

Help me understand. cleanhippie May 2013 #142

My thoughts were directed at the poster I was addressing. hrmjustin May 2013 #144

"He can put things more respectfully." What does that mean to you? cleanhippie May 2013 #145

He tends to talk down to me. hrmjustin May 2013 #146

I understand that you feel he is talking down to you. cleanhippie May 2013 #148

I think talking down to someone is disrespectful. hrmjustin May 2013 #149

Are all ideas and beliefs equal? cleanhippie May 2013 #150

I understand where you are going and you have a point, but... hrmjustin May 2013 #151

I'm trying to understand why you feel that way. cleanhippie May 2013 #152

So I should just shut up about my religious beliefs in the Religion group? hrmjustin May 2013 #153

yes that is exactly what we are saying. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #157

Read his post before and you will know why I said that. hrmjustin May 2013 #158

To think that anyone has suggested such a thing smacks of persecution complex. cleanhippie May 2013 #162

I responded to what you said. hrmjustin May 2013 #166

From that you inferred that I wanted you to shut up? cleanhippie May 2013 #168

As I said I overreacted. hrmjustin May 2013 #170

Do you think I come off that way? hrmjustin May 2013 #154

From my POV, it seems you want to have your beliefs treated specially. cleanhippie May 2013 #159

No I do not want my beliefs to get special treatment. hrmjustin May 2013 #161

Yes, I hear you saying that, but need you to help me understand where that happened. cleanhippie May 2013 #163

Read every one of Warren Stupidity's responses to me in this thread and you will see it. hrmjustin May 2013 #164

I see frustration, not condescension. cleanhippie May 2013 #169

Well I am sorry but I am not going to say my beliefs are not as good as anyone elses. hrmjustin May 2013 #171

Beliefs, however unfounded they may be, are as good as objective observation? cleanhippie May 2013 #172

No of course not. hrmjustin May 2013 #173

If unfounded beliefs are inferior to objective reality, what is your point? cleanhippie May 2013 #174

What I want is not to be talked down to. hrmjustin May 2013 #175

Again, help me understand where, specifically, you were talked down to. cleanhippie May 2013 #176

Here; hrmjustin May 2013 #177

Ok, I get it. You feel it's his tone. cleanhippie May 2013 #180

I understand his point and why he is making it. hrmjustin May 2013 #183

"If he were more polite I could take his points easier." cleanhippie May 2013 #185

Ok I made my point to him. That is all I wanted to do. hrmjustin May 2013 #186

Here; hrmjustin May 2013 #179

But you demand that we accept your "matters of faith" as equally valid Warren Stupidity May 2013 #182

I make no demands on you. All I ask that you treat me with a bit more respect. hrmjustin May 2013 #184

I did indeed dismiss the following claim. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #181

That would be me and your response was to the following. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #155

That is ok Warren I know what you think of me. hrmjustin May 2013 #156

He just thinks (as I do) that you are wrong. trotsky May 2013 #165

No trostky I have no problem when you challenge me, what I have a problem is when someone hrmjustin May 2013 #167

"The reality something created us." Lordquinton May 2013 #114

Yes this is a question we really can't answer at this time. hrmjustin May 2013 #116

Not really opinion Lordquinton May 2013 #118

There are good reasons not to believe the universe has always existed. Jim__ May 2013 #120

You are rather overstating the case LTX May 2013 #119

We have a very good idea of who wrote the gospels Lordquinton May 2013 #113

ok who wrote them then? hrmjustin May 2013 #115

Not up for research right now Lordquinton May 2013 #117

More straw. okasha May 2013 #45

I see you have chosen option B. trotsky May 2013 #50

Reductio ad absurdum cleanhippie May 2013 #32

You said, okasha May 2013 #44

You've really got some nerve. trotsky May 2013 #55

Never gonna happen. That one lacks any sense of honor or integrity. cleanhippie May 2013 #66

I give up. Absurdity wins! cleanhippie May 2013 #64

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #95

Done. Even though there really is no question to be answered. cleanhippie May 2013 #27

Other than Wow I don't believe things like that (miracles) could ever happen Leontius May 2013 #82

Ill play along. cleanhippie May 2013 #84

So by that standard alone I must dismiss all of the History of Rome written by Livy Leontius May 2013 #90

Hardly. cleanhippie May 2013 #91

I guess you abandoned this line of questions? cleanhippie May 2013 #123

Didn't quite go the way you wanted/expected? cleanhippie May 2013 #141

I'm not going to play your game, if you can't respond to my original Leontius May 2013 #160

I did respond to your original question. You just didn't get the answer you wanted. cleanhippie May 2013 #178

You are partially right I didn't get an answer. I got some vague talking points Leontius May 2013 #187

Where is yours? cleanhippie May 2013 #188

Asking the question I await your answers. If you can't provide them just admit it. Leontius May 2013 #190

So you will not provide the same that you ask of me? cleanhippie May 2013 #192

Opinion is not fact, where have I heard that before. Leontius May 2013 #196

So again you refuse to answer your own question. cleanhippie May 2013 #197

I make the questions you give the answers, that's how it works . Leontius May 2013 #198

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #199

Frankly, your question fallacious, and isn't worth answering Act_of_Reparation May 2013 #189

I made no claim so I have no burden of proof all I did was ask the question Leontius May 2013 #191

Your question is irrelevant... Act_of_Reparation May 2013 #193

Okay so you have nothing to add here and you can't get back the time you wasted Leontius May 2013 #194

What have you added? Nothing. Except to toss out asinine questions and refuse to give an answer cleanhippie May 2013 #195

"It is my understanding that the Romans documented everything" goldent May 2013 #16

History of Josephus plus other evidence Warren Stupidity May 2013 #20

Two books and one monument okasha May 2013 #22

I was giving two examples. There are more. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #24

The assertion made was that okasha May 2013 #25

Were the Romans not known for their extensive recordkeeping? cleanhippie May 2013 #30

You may now hand your ass to trotsky. okasha May 2013 #47

You may now show you have even a modicum of my integrity by apologizing for slandering me. cleanhippie May 2013 #68

Yep. Just as everyone thought, you took the same course and ran away in shame. cleanhippie May 2013 #96

If you know the history of the Mediterranean region you would also know that Leontius May 2013 #83

Uhm, okay? cleanhippie May 2013 #86

I don't think these are great examples goldent May 2013 #92

Are there not actual historical records from that time avaialble? cleanhippie May 2013 #29

Graves opening is not literal. It meant the souls of the dead have risen, nnot their actual hrmjustin May 2013 #37

so some of the description is literal, others not, and when cornered you get to declare Warren Stupidity May 2013 #38

No not shameless, my and most of Christianity's opinion. hrmjustin May 2013 #39

no it is shameless. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #40

I have never seen any church that literally believe that graves open up. hrmjustin May 2013 #41

27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared u cleanhippie May 2013 #42

I believe the souls of the dead were resurrected. I believe Jesus was bodily resurrected. hrmjustin May 2013 #46

Key phrase: "appeared unto many" trotsky May 2013 #61

No I don't. I just believe it was the soul not the body. I did not say they did not see it. hrmjustin May 2013 #62

Nope. Classic cherry picking going on. This part of the fable is literal, that part isn't. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #59

I am sorry you feel that way but I take it to mean the souls of the dead. But if it was the bodies hrmjustin May 2013 #60

People are free to believe all manner of absurd things. Why does this belief cleanhippie May 2013 #71

I don't make the rules of society. hrmjustin May 2013 #74

Awesome. I believe that believing in absurdities is unhealthy. cleanhippie May 2013 #76

I understand that! hrmjustin May 2013 #78

That's good to know. Now if you could only get the rest of em to a well. cleanhippie May 2013 #80

Just be respectful but honest about your thoughts. hrmjustin May 2013 #85

I give what I get. This conversation is proof of that. cleanhippie May 2013 #87

My reaction to people who disagree is to get them with kindness. hrmjustin May 2013 #89

I'm no expert on this, and as I mentioned in another post, there was a Jewish writer goldent May 2013 #93

The supposed mentions of Jesus by Josephus Shadrach May 2013 #98

Hold on there.... goldent May 2013 #100

Without passing judgment on whether Jesus ever existed, LiberalAndProud May 2013 #101

I am not saying or trying to prove that Jesus did not exist Shadrach May 2013 #103

There are four historical accounts of the latter life of Jesus Leontius May 2013 #104

They are not a record of eyewitness accounts. LiberalAndProud May 2013 #105

Your talking points are outdated. All four written during the time in which those involved Leontius May 2013 #107

Not discredited or outdated. LiberalAndProud May 2013 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author Meshuga May 2013 #106

"But we have to refute those who claimed that a historical Jesus existed" goldent May 2013 #109

Ah, forgeries in an attempt to . . . ? I love conspiracy theoeries even if they're full of woo. rug May 2013 #110

the bible really loves that number "40" BlueToTheBone May 2013 #28

Jesus could fly? johnnypneumatic May 2013 #56

Oh lord! hrmjustin May 2013 #57

Miracles prove that Christianity is the one true religion. Amen. Also, dimbear May 2013 #94

Happy Easter to You LostOne4Ever May 2013 #97

Thank you and a Happy Spring to you! hrmjustin May 2013 #112

It is always interesting to me as a Christian.... chillfactor May 2013 #102

".but do not masturbate those of us who do.... " WTF? cleanhippie May 2013 #124

wait, not even a priest can masturbate somebody else. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #125

200 johnnypneumatic May 2013 #200

Thanks my friend. I never thought I would get more than 5 on this thread. hrmjustin May 2013 #201