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In reply to the discussion: Why I'm Not an Atheist: The Case for Agnosticism [View all]Jim__
(15,292 posts)43. Can you cite the source for that Feynman quote and provide some context?
Lawrence Krauss who wrote a book in 2012 called A Universe from Nothing and based that claim on the fact that nothing is unstable has since admitted that this nothing means no particles and not really nothing. He also admits that physics has not shown how something can come from nothing. From Krauss' interview in April of 2012 (my bolding):
Krauss: I'm making a deeper claim, but at the same time I think you're overstating what I argued. I don't think I argued that physics has definitively shown how something could come from nothing; physics has shown how plausible physical mechanisms might cause this to happen. I try to be intellectually honest in everything that I write, especially about what we know and what we don't know. If you're writing for the public, the one thing you can't do is overstate your claim, because people are going to believe you. They see I'm a physicist and so if I say that protons are little pink elephants, people might believe me. And so I try to be very careful and responsible. We don't know how something can come from nothing, but we do know some plausible ways that it might.
But I am certainly claiming a lot more than just that. That it's possible to create particles from no particles is remarkable---that you can do that with impunity, without violating the conservation of energy and all that, is a remarkable thing. The fact that "nothing," namely empty space, is unstable is amazing. But I'll be the first to say that empty space as I'm describing it isn't necessarily nothing, although I will add that it was plenty good enough for Augustine and the people who wrote the Bible. For them an eternal empty void was the definition of nothing, and certainly I show that that kind of nothing ain't nothing anymore.
But I am certainly claiming a lot more than just that. That it's possible to create particles from no particles is remarkable---that you can do that with impunity, without violating the conservation of energy and all that, is a remarkable thing. The fact that "nothing," namely empty space, is unstable is amazing. But I'll be the first to say that empty space as I'm describing it isn't necessarily nothing, although I will add that it was plenty good enough for Augustine and the people who wrote the Bible. For them an eternal empty void was the definition of nothing, and certainly I show that that kind of nothing ain't nothing anymore.
I'd be surprised if Feynman knew how something could come from nothing, that Krauss wouldn't know this too.
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I can explain it to you... but I'm pretty sure you don't want an explanation.
defacto7
Jun 2013
#185
I am sorry Skeptiscott for what I said and I guess you are right in the end.
hrmjustin
May 2013
#125
I hold no ill will or judgment to those who believe in god or believe there is no god either...
cascadiance
Jun 2013
#229
And those that don't try to lump me in a category are far more apt to shape my beliefs than others..
cascadiance
Jun 2013
#236
No insult taken, and I hope that you did not take my previous post as an insult either.
LostOne4Ever
Jun 2013
#245
You can only give me an expert opinion on what being an atheist means to you.
Big Blue Marble
Jun 2013
#168
At risk of being really insulting, I am beginning to question your reading comprehension.
Big Blue Marble
Jun 2013
#172
Have you really missed all the insulting comments that atheists have made in this forum alone? N/T
Big Blue Marble
May 2013
#25
Ask an agnostic if they believe in a god, there answer determines if they are a theist or atheist...
Humanist_Activist
May 2013
#16
How do you label those that answer that they don't know or that they don't care?
cbayer
May 2013
#53
No, you aren't an agnostic on Israel/Palestine, you take no position.
Humanist_Activist
May 2013
#99
What reputable sources? And in what way does neutrality equal unknowable? n/t
Humanist_Activist
May 2013
#101
I am not sure what that means either, but I see it used more and more frequently.
cbayer
May 2013
#105
Even that meaning you listed makes no sense, words and terms such as...
Humanist_Activist
May 2013
#108
And if I answer "i don't know and I don't really care", which box would you put me in?
cbayer
May 2013
#65
Being confident and honest enough to say "I don't know" is IMO a wonderful and valuable trait.
eomer
Jun 2013
#200
Here's the definition from a 1969 hard-bound American Heritage Dictionary I had handy:
eomer
May 2013
#115
Of course I've read all your words; I just find that your approach makes no sense to me.
eomer
Jun 2013
#154
Lol. Are you really saying that anyone who calls themselves agnostic is mentally ill?
cbayer
Jun 2013
#203
You can be as definitive as you want, but that doesn't mean you have the right answer.
cbayer
Jun 2013
#230
Indeed - if you think there is a cause, outside the universe, for the universe
muriel_volestrangler
May 2013
#50
An open mind does not accept any crazy idea just becasue it can't be proved false.
bowens43
May 2013
#51
There is a possibility of the existence of a male bipod God who looks like us?
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2013
#57
Sorry, but it doesn't seem that everyone here allows for a variety of beliefs
Bad Thoughts
May 2013
#137
Do you disagree with the Christians and Jews who say that there are not?
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2013
#66
Your clear understanding of the simple binary condition of these two concepts
defacto7
Jun 2013
#179
If you consider yourself an Agnostic, do you live your live as if God exists or if he/she/it doesnt?
brooklynite
May 2013
#145
Are those of us who consider ourselves both agnostic and atheist wrong in some way?
Fumesucker
Jun 2013
#156
OK, the existence of God is *less* likely than the existence of the Tooth Fairy, then . . .
MrModerate
Jun 2013
#181
Baddar is making a simple point: in the face of uncertainty, we can't be certain.
Jim__
Jun 2013
#212
A Universe from Nothing: Why there is something rather than nothing by Lawrence Krauss.
Jim__
Jun 2013
#223
How is it that people are so certain their idea of "absolute nothing" is even possible?
enki23
Jun 2013
#237
The part that churned by stomach was his justification for reaching that probability...
Act_of_Reparation
Jun 2013
#243