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In reply to the discussion: Is President Obama secretly an atheist, who fakes being a Christian for political reasons? [View all]Jim__
(15,231 posts)41. Andrew Brown reviewed that paper.
It's an interesting read. Here's an excerpt:
OK, it's a naughty headline, but no less true than the one put on this survey at the aggressively atheist Sandwalk blog, which said "Atheists are smarter than agnostics". Both readings are justified. A large-scale analysis of the religious allegiance and measured IQ of a representative sample of 3,742 American adolescents found a clear trend: the more fundamentalist denominations had the more stupid believers, so that the bottom four places were occupied, from the bottom, by Pentecostalists, Baptists, Holiness churches and "Personal Philosophy", which I presume means a new-age-ish syncretism, while the top four places, again in ascending order, were taken by agnostics, atheists, Jews, and Episcopalians (Anglicans). So, atheists are smarter than agnostics, Jews are smarter than atheists, and Anglicans the smartest of the lot ...
But we should always be careful about science which tells us what we think we already know.
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But is there not an overtone perhaps distressing to progressive opinion in professor Nyborg's thought? Should we really be quite so smug at his scientific discovery that Baptists make rotten servants? Should we really be quite so confident about the conclusions of a man who puts so much weight on IQ and its hereditary nature?
So I did a little digging around. I downloaded the paper, which costs, alas, $37.50 with VAT, and read it carefully through. It turns out that Nyborg is an enthusiast for scientific racism. It's not just believers who are more stupid, in his world: it's black people and women, too. In a collaboration with Richard Lynn of the University of Ulster, he measured religiosity against IQ in 137 countries, and concluded that low IQ countries always had higher rates of religion. It's not religion that makes you stupid, he told a Christian paper at the time: but if you live in a very religious country, you are very likely to be stupid. And of course the correlation of religion and poverty is in global terms very clear, while the most religious continent of all is Africa.
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But we should always be careful about science which tells us what we think we already know.
...
But is there not an overtone perhaps distressing to progressive opinion in professor Nyborg's thought? Should we really be quite so smug at his scientific discovery that Baptists make rotten servants? Should we really be quite so confident about the conclusions of a man who puts so much weight on IQ and its hereditary nature?
So I did a little digging around. I downloaded the paper, which costs, alas, $37.50 with VAT, and read it carefully through. It turns out that Nyborg is an enthusiast for scientific racism. It's not just believers who are more stupid, in his world: it's black people and women, too. In a collaboration with Richard Lynn of the University of Ulster, he measured religiosity against IQ in 137 countries, and concluded that low IQ countries always had higher rates of religion. It's not religion that makes you stupid, he told a Christian paper at the time: but if you live in a very religious country, you are very likely to be stupid. And of course the correlation of religion and poverty is in global terms very clear, while the most religious continent of all is Africa.
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Is President Obama secretly an atheist, who fakes being a Christian for political reasons? [View all]
Nye Bevan
Jun 2013
OP
My general assumption is that people who really don't care don't click on the thread.
Nye Bevan
Jun 2013
#6
You should give more gradations - I have the Soul-o-scope so I know, but most people don't
el_bryanto
Jun 2013
#12
Admittedly anecdotal, but people at work assume I'm Christian because I'm NICE.
Still Blue in PDX
Jun 2013
#17
Correct...He should also bag the stupid, quite bigoted "skymonster" definition of Christianity
whathehell
Jun 2013
#29
As a matter of fact, I do think that papers by Richard Lynn should be avoided!
LeftishBrit
Jun 2013
#65
In going further I see that this paper is rather infamous. The truth seems to be
dimbear
Jun 2013
#69