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LuvNewcastle

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42. Instead of interpreting what those teachings mean,
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 05:18 PM
Jun 2013

which, as you describe, can be very complicated, let's think about what they don't mean. Are you treating others as you wish to be treated when you send out the drones? How about when you have someone arrested and throw them in jail indefinitely without a trial?

Most Christians that I know of believe that "love your neighbor as yourself" means love everyone as you love yourself. I've never heard anyone say that it meant just to love the people next door. In that light, it means pretty much the same thing as the other commandment. Are you loving your neighbor when you try to cut their Social Security?

Those are a couple of examples of things Obama has done that most would say are in direct conflict with Christian teachings. There are many more. That's what I mean when I say that Obama doesn't always adhere to Christian principles when he makes decisions. He might have reasons for the things he does, but it's obvious that those reasons have little or nothing to do with the things he learned in church.

Understand that even though I don't agree with Obama on the issues I've cited, it doesn't mean that I believe a President should follow his Christian beliefs to the letter. When Jesus said those things, he didn't have subordinate clauses in the sentences that said, " love your neighbor unless he does something you don't like." That's why Christian principles aren't enough to go by when you're making the really tough decisions. That's what makes the decisions so tough in the first place.

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I love the smell of flamebait in the morning SecularMotion Jun 2013 #1
Inspired by this post, as well as many similar ones: Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #2
A suggestion SecularMotion Jun 2013 #3
Thanks for the suggestion (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #4
Even better idea WovenGems Jun 2013 #71
You forgot another choice: Don't care Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2013 #5
My general assumption is that people who really don't care don't click on the thread. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #6
However, as I said Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2013 #11
Some of us think it's important skepticscott Jun 2013 #15
I was looking for the same choice. goldent Jun 2013 #60
Yes. Iggo Jun 2013 #7
I think Jimmy Carter was our last actual Christian president... RevStPatrick Jun 2013 #8
Why do you think that? trotsky Jun 2013 #9
The flipside, that actually IS seen on DU... trotsky Jun 2013 #10
You should give more gradations - I have the Soul-o-scope so I know, but most people don't el_bryanto Jun 2013 #12
Would it matter if he was? nt auburngrad82 Jun 2013 #13
Does it really matter what anyone's religious beliefs are? Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #14
To me, it doesn't matter what your beliefs are auburngrad82 Jun 2013 #16
Thank you. whathehell Jun 2013 #31
Unfortunately it's human nature to generalize auburngrad82 Jun 2013 #34
got that right - +1 DrDan Jun 2013 #56
Admittedly anecdotal, but people at work assume I'm Christian because I'm NICE. Still Blue in PDX Jun 2013 #17
This is very, very much a US phenomenon. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #19
I think he is a faithful Christian. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #18
People that say the Obama is "too smart to believe in invisible sky monsters" cbayer Jun 2013 #20
I agree. It implies those of us who believe are idiots. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #21
There is no correlation between intelligence and religious beliefs, so anyone cbayer Jun 2013 #22
I didn't invent the term "invisible sky monsters", Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #24
No, you just chose to use it. It's offensive to believers. cbayer Jun 2013 #26
Maybe not, but you DID make this claim in your post: trotsky Jun 2013 #27
Correct...He should also bag the stupid, quite bigoted "skymonster" definition of Christianity whathehell Jun 2013 #29
Actually, only one other person has used it once on DU muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #44
Hmmm. My Google seems to work better than yours. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #50
Ah, Google didn't show up results using the singular muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #53
Another? Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #57
That's one of the "not a good idea to put it this way" posts muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #63
You claimed it was said "frequently." trotsky Jun 2013 #67
Actually there is a correlation. Goblinmonger Jun 2013 #35
You may want to avoid this scientific paper: dimbear Jun 2013 #40
Andrew Brown reviewed that paper. Jim__ Jun 2013 #41
All those IQ comparisons are a little scary, but it's safe to say dimbear Jun 2013 #46
The question of what can be inferred from any correlation is also important. Jim__ Jun 2013 #47
I've no problem with trying to minimize the number, or to explain its causes. dimbear Jun 2013 #49
Why would I want to avoid it? cbayer Jun 2013 #59
Here's one in full as a pdf: dimbear Jun 2013 #61
I think I have read something similar about fundamentalism, but cbayer Jun 2013 #68
As a matter of fact, I do think that papers by Richard Lynn should be avoided! LeftishBrit Jun 2013 #65
In going further I see that this paper is rather infamous. The truth seems to be dimbear Jun 2013 #69
But we do all think fundamentalists are crazy, right? DirkGently Jun 2013 #52
No, I don't think they are crazy. I just think they are wrong on the issues. cbayer Jun 2013 #58
I don't care. nt rrneck Jun 2013 #23
Thanks for your feedback. (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #25
Why are there only two choices?...He may be an agnostic. whathehell Jun 2013 #28
I think we've probably had some atheist Presidents who LuvNewcastle Jun 2013 #30
What exactly do you mean by this: trotsky Jun 2013 #32
There are certain principles that, while they aren't LuvNewcastle Jun 2013 #36
How much agreement do you think there is among Christians on these principles? trotsky Jun 2013 #37
Instead of interpreting what those teachings mean, LuvNewcastle Jun 2013 #42
"Instead of interpreting..." trotsky Jun 2013 #43
You're talking to me as if I were a Christian and LuvNewcastle Jun 2013 #45
As I have stated repeatedly, trotsky Jun 2013 #48
Haven't been here that long LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #33
In keeping with your reasoning, the probability that we've had a president with an IQ of 70 or ... Jim__ Jun 2013 #38
GWB (nt) LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #39
No "other?" MADem Jun 2013 #51
You are missing the obvious poll option: ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #54
Don't you mean that he's a secret MUSLIN? LeftishBrit Jun 2013 #66
a Christian - hence held in disdain by many here who find those that believe DrDan Jun 2013 #55
I don't know for sure but I think most atheists on this board... uriel1972 Jun 2013 #62
Obviously we can't tell what someone inwardly believes... LeftishBrit Jun 2013 #64
I would tend to put Obama in the category skepticscott Jun 2013 #70
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