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In reply to the discussion: For atheists, all religion is superstition [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,237 posts)11. From the Penguin English Dictionary:
Prayer:
1 a personal request, confession, or expression of praise or thanksgiving, addressed to God or a god.
2
a a personal request, confession, or expression of praise or thanksgiving, addressed to God or a god aloud or in thought.
b a set order of words used in praying.
3 the action or practice of praying to God or a god
4 (in pl) a religious service consisting chiefly of prayers.
5 an earnest request or devout wish.
6 something prayed or earnestly wished for
2
a a personal request, confession, or expression of praise or thanksgiving, addressed to God or a god aloud or in thought.
b a set order of words used in praying.
3 the action or practice of praying to God or a god
4 (in pl) a religious service consisting chiefly of prayers.
5 an earnest request or devout wish.
6 something prayed or earnestly wished for
Notice there is a wish - 'a person request' being the first definition. Notice also how that has become the key feature of the later meanings (5 and 6), even when the supernatural isn't involved.
Supersitition:
1 excessive belief in supernatural or irrational forces in human affairs
2 a widely held belief or widely practised act that has no rational basis, esp one associated with supposedly supernatural influences and thought to bring good or bad luck
2 a widely held belief or widely practised act that has no rational basis, esp one associated with supposedly supernatural influences and thought to bring good or bad luck
Notice this is primarily about belief, not an attempt to change reality, though it can be, in some cases, an act. But a good example of an act to bring good luck would be a prayer of "confession, or expression of praise or thanksgiving, addressed to God or a god". Do it (as the Bible tells you, for instance) and you will be looked on kindly by the deity.
Thinking that 13 is an 'unlucky number' is not "an attempt to manipulate reality by magic"; but asking a deity to heal someone is.
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If you had the slightest understanding of what is happening in progressive religious circles,
Thats my opinion
Jun 2013
#61
Those rapturist-politicians feel like they are backed into a corner because they never grew up
Kolesar
Jun 2013
#3
"I shall be unsubscribing to the religion forum, where I am clearly unwelcome."
cleanhippie
Jun 2013
#52
Fortunately, Silverman has no ability to speak for all atheists, given the shallowness of his post.
rug
Jun 2013
#6
"the attempt to manipulate reality by magic" is a better definition of prayer than of superstition
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2013
#8
"Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven"
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2013
#15
"Your will be done" is a desire to be in rapport with God, not a plea to have God do our will.
rug
Jun 2013
#16
I think the Lord's Prayer fits this better than anything in Christian countries
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2013
#29
Yes, but you don't rely on a supernatural intermediary for the effect
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2013
#40
Religions that teach that god is distant, cold, indifferent and unresponsive deserve
dimbear
Jun 2013
#37
In the first place, prayer specifically and religion, generally, are attempts to come into contact
rug
Jun 2013
#67
It's worth harking back to the Romans. A few minutes with a Latin dictionary show
dimbear
Jun 2013
#58