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muriel_volestrangler

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22. It's a desire that the whole earth be in rapport with god

Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:59 PM

Jun 2013

It's not just about the person saying the prayer; it's a wish for reality to change. When you relate your daily needs to "relates that to God, the Creator of us and all in this world", you're bringing the supernatural into it, and making it a request, too; again, a desire to change reality vie the supernatural.

"Deliver us from evil" is not an attempt to avoid evil by the saying of the prayer? Of course it is. How much plainer can it be?

I think the problem is that you see superstition as something that only other people believe in, and that it's somehow a problem when other people believe in it.

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For atheists, all religion is superstition [View all] SecularMotion Jun 2013 OP

For a purportedly "sentient" species, chervilant Jun 2013 #1

I guess it's safe to assume that "the fear-based and hate-mongering masses" LTX Jun 2013 #71

Those who embrace and promote ideologies that chervilant Jun 2013 #78

Which, if you THINK about it, chervilant Jun 2013 #2

If you had the slightest understanding of what is happening in progressive religious circles, Thats my opinion Jun 2013 #61

O, DO tell! chervilant Jun 2013 #64

One form of prejudice Thats my opinion Jun 2013 #73

Well, christ on a cracker! chervilant Jun 2013 #79

Those rapturist-politicians feel like they are backed into a corner because they never grew up Kolesar Jun 2013 #3

Why do you atheists feel it necessary to keep beating this drum? Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2013 #4

Still making up quotes, I see skepticscott Jun 2013 #5

Did you actually bother reading the article? intaglio Jun 2013 #7

All right, I exaggerated Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2013 #10

Funny that you can't seem to make a case skepticscott Jun 2013 #13

Yes, I exaggerated Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2013 #33

No you are not LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #35

Yes, you quote a lot of people skepticscott Jun 2013 #41

Ah, so you are calling me a liar Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2013 #46

I see that atheists can falsely call believers liars. Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2013 #50

"I shall be unsubscribing to the religion forum, where I am clearly unwelcome." cleanhippie Jun 2013 #52

Jury Results 0-6 Leave aikoaiko Jun 2013 #47

+1000000! cleanhippie Jun 2013 #51

An exaggeration LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #34

because you rigidly dogmatic believers refuse to hear it. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #14

LOLOL Skittles Jun 2013 #27

Those aren't exaggerations. Those are made up. Iggo Jun 2013 #39

The point is, only some atheists express such sentiments . . . MrModerate Jun 2013 #45

Thank you! chervilant Jun 2013 #65

My all-purpose response to questions of faith is . . . MrModerate Jun 2013 #68

Good all-purpose response. chervilant Jun 2013 #80

What an amazingly good question!!!!!!! gcomeau Jun 2013 #81

Fortunately, Silverman has no ability to speak for all atheists, given the shallowness of his post. rug Jun 2013 #6

"the attempt to manipulate reality by magic" is a better definition of prayer than of superstition muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #8

I see you and Silverman have something in common. rug Jun 2013 #9

From the Penguin English Dictionary: muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #11

And? rug Jun 2013 #12

"Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven" muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #15

"Your will be done" is a desire to be in rapport with God, not a plea to have God do our will. rug Jun 2013 #16

It's a request to a supernatural being skepticscott Jun 2013 #18

Speaking of blithering nonsense, I'll correct you. rug Jun 2013 #21

Show me where I said it WAS a superstition skepticscott Jun 2013 #25

Check the OP. That's the topic. rug Jun 2013 #26

I wasn't responding to the OP, now was I? skepticscott Jun 2013 #42

You may be right. rug Jun 2013 #43

Speaking of blithering nonsense, I'll correct you. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #49

I'm always game to hear more blithering nonsense. rug Jun 2013 #54

It's a desire that the whole earth be in rapport with god muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #22

What you think is the problem is precisely that, what you think is the problem. rug Jun 2013 #28

I think the Lord's Prayer fits this better than anything in Christian countries muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #29

You left out the rest of the definition, Penguin's definition that is. rug Jun 2013 #31

Conscious acts can change the future. Jim__ Jun 2013 #38

Yes, but you don't rely on a supernatural intermediary for the effect muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #40

Isn't the better counter-example Buddhist prayer? Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #17

There are many profound prayer across the spectrum of human tradition. rug Jun 2013 #19

That's my spin Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #20

Some Buddhist prayer may be just meditation muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #23

Some might call in meditation Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #24

Yes, prayer is exactly that. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #48

Well that's persuasive. rug Jun 2013 #55

Hmmm. I am a nonbeliever, and . . . MrModerate Jun 2013 #69

What do you call a philosophy that contemplates God? rug Jun 2013 #76

I'd call that "philosophy" . . . MrModerate Jun 2013 #77

I have to agree with the title. goldent Jun 2013 #30

Buddhism LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #36

Some forms of Buddhism do not need to postulate a god. okasha Jun 2013 #74

True LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #75

Well, yeah. Iggo Jun 2013 #32

Religions that teach that god is distant, cold, indifferent and unresponsive deserve dimbear Jun 2013 #37

I don't think all religion is superstition. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #44

Of course all religion is superstition. stopbush Jun 2013 #53

So, as I read through this thread, religious folks seem to have durbin Jun 2013 #56

Your impression is wrong. rug Jun 2013 #57

I was simply asking for answers. You did not answer, but you durbin Jun 2013 #66

In the first place, prayer specifically and religion, generally, are attempts to come into contact rug Jun 2013 #67

Historically, the distinction between religion and superstition has held Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #60

It's worth harking back to the Romans. A few minutes with a Latin dictionary show dimbear Jun 2013 #58

It is easy to knock down anti-scientific fundamntalists Thats my opinion Jun 2013 #59

Because anyone who sees things that way skepticscott Jun 2013 #62

Because science and religion are NOT EQUAL! cleanhippie Jun 2013 #63

Is any religion WovenGems Jun 2013 #70

IMO, very little difference between voodoo and Christianity and closeupready Jun 2013 #72