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napoleon_in_rags

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1. I'm interested in spirituality and tech.
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 02:57 AM
Feb 2012

For me, the Nexus between the two comes not in the tech itself, not from my smartphone itself, but from the ramifications of it. The tech abstracts to math, which abstracts to philosophy, which abstracts (for me) to spirituality.

The real breakthrough of this information age is the concept that information is real, the idea that a *real thing* can be in two places at once, like a picture on your smart phone. I mean people always had books and paintings, but the new trend is toward the vanishing of the media, the canvas and the paper book as being the real thing, toward the representation as reality. The Mona Lisa is no longer a painting in France, now its the backdrop to a million ads, its digital image, its part of a TV show: its primary existence is as a non-local phenomenon, its physical existence in France is secondary to its non-local existence as information in the human mind.

So in one sense, spiritually, the world has made a huge step away from materialism. But in another sense, its gotten itself into a new mess, amoral non-materialism, and the old models of faith are breaking down in response. Its much harder to define right and wrong in terms of a partially non-physical world, where things have distant effects through tech. And when I read half the things I am just blown away by the evil that's going on in this world, passing under the radar because its wrapped in a technological complexity or some manipulation of public opinion. We're increasingly in a world of obfuscation and created "reality", as human focus moves from manipulating matter to manipulating information.

To me though, God is what is beyond the wall of illusion. Its the Rock. (Luke 6:48) So I think increasingly, the role of faith is to give people a way out of the madness, that open door when the information dream becomes the information nightmare. My two cents anywho.

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Religion and the new technology [View all] Thats my opinion Feb 2012 OP
I'm interested in spirituality and tech. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2012 #1
Very helpful! nt Thats my opinion Feb 2012 #5
Another response. Thats my opinion Feb 2012 #8
"This is not a response" napoleon_in_rags Feb 2012 #13
"the vanishing of the media" reminds me of Marshall McLuhan and Bob Dobbs bananas Feb 2012 #34
LOL! I meant to say "vanishing of the medium" napoleon_in_rags Feb 2012 #36
For me this is easy intaglio Feb 2012 #2
Interesting perspective. Thats my opinion Feb 2012 #9
So prove that any of this has happened to you intaglio Feb 2012 #15
You are correct in your suspicion of manipulative religion. Thats my opinion Feb 2012 #19
It is normal intaglio Feb 2012 #24
What this poster and so many others skepticscott Feb 2012 #25
Regarding your last two paragraphs, you are talking about some other form of religion, Thats my opinion Feb 2012 #29
You have to explain that a great deal more Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #31
For every complex question there is a simple answer Thats my opinion Feb 2012 #38
And for every question that's actually pretty simple skepticscott Feb 2012 #40
The reason I asked the question is it Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #41
you raise some sound interesting questions Thats my opinion Feb 2012 #44
You need to grease the wheels on those goalposts... cleanhippie Feb 2012 #33
What straw men? intaglio Feb 2012 #35
"Just making it up as you go along" skepticscott Feb 2012 #37
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, Thats my opinion Feb 2012 #39
I think you mean I am an outsider to the conversation with God intaglio Feb 2012 #42
Religious thought has long since gone way past the idea of God Thats my opinion Feb 2012 #43
Interesting intaglio Feb 2012 #45
So who exactly is this "we" skepticscott Feb 2012 #46
Instant access to information; but usually a quick, shallow stab at this information. Jim__ Feb 2012 #3
As do you, Thats my opinion Feb 2012 #6
About post-modern theology Thats my opinion Feb 2012 #10
Information is almost completely commodified. rrneck Feb 2012 #4
So I wonder if you may believe that much of what is happening is manipulative? Thats my opinion Feb 2012 #7
I don't necessarily think it's manipulative rrneck Feb 2012 #11
So when will you be telling skepticscott Feb 2012 #12
Probably after you stop. rug Feb 2012 #14
If I were championing a new theology skepticscott Feb 2012 #16
Considering the OP is not about that, I'm not surprised. rug Feb 2012 #18
The OP IS about a new theology skepticscott Feb 2012 #21
............... Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #32
Were you at Claremont this week? Sal316 Feb 2012 #17
Yes i was? Thats my opinion Feb 2012 #20
I was. Sal316 Feb 2012 #27
That was the one session I missed. nt Thats my opinion Feb 2012 #28
Religion and moren technology could not mix NinjaKid Feb 2012 #22
Yes Chinita Feb 2012 #23
Speaking from the inside, Thats my opinion Feb 2012 #26
Uhh... you couldn't be more wrong. Sal316 Feb 2012 #30
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