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moobu2

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49. I've thought for some time now that
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 01:05 PM
Jun 2013

religion functioned as a form of science for most of human civilization. I mean, for most of our existence as a species, anytime someone wanted to know why something was happening, like seasons changing, earthquakes shaking everything or rain falling or whatever, they always asked a priest. I think of religion in terms of a type of protoscience. Early people just didn't know what caused almost anything around them. They didn't know about plate tectonics for instance or planetary motion and Solar system physics, evolutionary biology or what caused anything really. People just made stuff up the best they could to explain physical phenomena and religion served that purpose and out of a very strong human need to have an explanation for everything it developed and evolved into what it is today.

To me religion is to science what alchemy was to chemistry or astrology was to astronomy.

I have never had a problem with separating both. In fact I think the catholic church southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #1
That really doesn't answer the question. cleanhippie Jun 2013 #5
For me they are equal. But honestly I think people go bonkers over this issue. But you southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #8
If one produces knowledge that is true for all and the other doesn't, how can they be equal? cleanhippie Jun 2013 #10
Your getting way to heavy for me. You tell me what you think. southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #12
I already did in the OP. cleanhippie Jun 2013 #15
Well you take care. Maybe the big thinkers can get more into then I. I'm not an expert in southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #20
religion and science are not equals DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #78
to explain DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #79
So should we take seriously those who claim they are equal? cleanhippie Jun 2013 #90
no DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #95
One popular answer is skepticscott Jun 2013 #2
And yet religion cannot even answer the "why" at all. cleanhippie Jun 2013 #9
They have nothing to do with each other and should never be compared, contrasted or equated. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #3
Great answer. cleanhippie Jun 2013 #6
Unfortunately that is not true. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #24
I get that it happens, truebluegreen Jun 2013 #42
I don't think "equal" is a relevant metric here. TygrBright Jun 2013 #4
I would agree. So should we take seriously those who assert their equality? cleanhippie Jun 2013 #7
I imagine if they are serious, and you want to engage them fruitfully and respectfully... TygrBright Jun 2013 #11
If their entire premise is false yet they assert the opposite, how can try be taken seriously? cleanhippie Jun 2013 #14
Perhaps we could class religion with patriotism? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #17
agree... madrchsod Jun 2013 #13
Hard for me to marry the two subjects. janlyn Jun 2013 #16
I believe in both very much! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #18
And? skepticscott Jun 2013 #19
Just a statement my friend! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #23
Are they equal? cleanhippie Jun 2013 #31
Interesting question to with I do not know exactly how to respond. Science tells us how things work hrmjustin Jun 2013 #48
With respect, you are dodging the question with nonsense. cleanhippie Jun 2013 #53
For me yes. In the end yes. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #54
Then as the original question posed, why should you be taken seriously? cleanhippie Jun 2013 #55
People can take me how they want. I don't claim to be an expert on anything. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #57
Nope WovenGems Jun 2013 #21
Which is liquid and which is static? LTX Jun 2013 #32
Defined WovenGems Jun 2013 #33
Oh. Ok. LTX Jun 2013 #34
Truth WovenGems Jun 2013 #35
I think your reference points may be a bit too narrow. LTX Jun 2013 #37
Oxford Group WovenGems Jun 2013 #39
Now I know that your reference points are too narrow. n/t LTX Jun 2013 #40
And how does one expand the reference points? WovenGems Jun 2013 #41
Well, a start would be questioning your own LTX Jun 2013 #43
Religion hasn't changed for hundreds of years?? Thats my opinion Jun 2013 #69
I think you responded to the wrong post. n/t LTX Jun 2013 #70
So tell us then, what IS religion all about? cleanhippie Jun 2013 #74
Religion has indeed changed. trotsky Jun 2013 #45
They're different things entirely. rug Jun 2013 #22
He didn't ask whether they were the same thing... Act_of_Reparation Jun 2013 #25
I didn't expect any straightforward answers to this. cleanhippie Jun 2013 #51
It's an appropriate answer to a poor question. rug Jun 2013 #59
He asked if they were equal. Period. rug Jun 2013 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Jun 2013 #61
Of course you didn't. rug Jun 2013 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Jun 2013 #64
That's exactly what you wrote. rug Jun 2013 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Jun 2013 #71
He also wrote half a dozen other sentences... Act_of_Reparation Jun 2013 #65
I did read the entire OP. rug Jun 2013 #67
Then you didn't read it very carefully Act_of_Reparation Jun 2013 #75
Apparently I read it more clearly than you. rug Jun 2013 #76
He does not have an answer. He never does. Its always the same, day after day, post after post. cleanhippie Jun 2013 #81
Some are simply unable to accept that they may be wrong. This is an example. cleanhippie Jun 2013 #72
Lol. rug Jun 2013 #77
See what I mean? More nonsensical bullshit. Always the same. cleanhippie Jun 2013 #60
Outside of mathematics, is anything really equal? ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #26
They really have completely different functions. Deep13 Jun 2013 #27
They might be equivalent forces in some lives Warpy Jun 2013 #28
Why not? Because that would be silly. bowens43 Jun 2013 #29
They ARE equal but their individual strengths are not Prophet 451 Jun 2013 #30
I would strongly disagree with this: trotsky Jun 2013 #36
"Religion/philosophy tells us" - religion "tells", philosophy "discusses". Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #38
Good distinction. trotsky Jun 2013 #44
Philosophy does not research Bad Thoughts Jun 2013 #46
talk to the theory of consciousness people about their lack of field research. nt. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #47
i think that definition of 'philosophy' is both overly restrictive.. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #50
I don't suppose you have done any research into what philophsers actually do. Thats my opinion Jun 2013 #68
That is YOUR question up there, TMO. Why won't you respond to it? cleanhippie Jun 2013 #73
I guess the tough questions frighten you. And I can understand why. cleanhippie Jun 2013 #89
Phelps actually doesn't do that Prophet 451 Jun 2013 #82
You judge him,and he judges you. trotsky Jun 2013 #83
Morality is all about value judgements Prophet 451 Jun 2013 #84
How can you possibly know whether or not Phelps ALSO thinks his faith is based on trotsky Jun 2013 #85
No, but I can listen to his sermons Prophet 451 Jun 2013 #86
Again, how do you know? trotsky Jun 2013 #87
In order... Prophet 451 Jun 2013 #91
As long as you think you can read Phelps' mind... trotsky Jun 2013 #92
*sigh* I give up Prophet 451 Jun 2013 #93
Yeah, I know. trotsky Jun 2013 #94
Umm... gcomeau Jun 2013 #88
I've thought for some time now that moobu2 Jun 2013 #49
I think you nailed it. cleanhippie Jun 2013 #52
^^^^^ mike_c Jun 2013 #56
Like the rough sketch that led to an important painting, worth the attention dimbear Jun 2013 #62
Science is the application of physical processes to determine physical outcomes. Religion is the ladjf Jun 2013 #80
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