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MellowDem

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18. Yes, that is the premise...
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 06:47 PM
Jun 2013

how is it not? I am able to determine what parts of the author's post I wish to discuss. One premise I chose from the author's piece is that gods are not provable or falsifiable. We both agree on this. It is from that premise that I arrive at a lack of belief in gods. It is from that premise that the author (irrationally, IMHO) arrives at the conclusion in a belief in gods.

I am not discussing whether god exists or not, but rather the method used to come to a conclusion on that question (or any question that is not proveable or falsifiable).

Of course the author is asserting that gullibility is the only way for believers not to be hypocrites, and she's right. Read the piece again if you need to, but she asserts that all religions are equally valid because she won't question the validity of someone's explanations of their experiences. That is gullibility. It's well intentionted, that is, it's all about avoiding conflict with other people that hold different supernatural beliefs. It unites believers under their common faith and gullibility. But I'm saying gullibility and faith are not rational grounds to proceed from the original premise.

All of the words I've used have been relevant, you quoting them does nothing to bolster any argument you have, whatever it may be.

Considering the informality of a discussion board on the internet, I don't believe I need to do more than present common knowledge on such subjects. It's like saying the sky is blue. Honestly, if someone doesn't know that religions have and continue to use supernatural explanations for experiences that have been shown to be nothing more than psychiatric disorders, then they can look it up themselves and find many examples of it. I don't believe the burden is on me, and I really don't care if someone else thinks otherwise, because, once again, it's not something in controversy. It's widely known and accepted.

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Had to look up UPG - unverified personal gnosis, I am assuming. cbayer Jun 2013 #1
It's discussed further down in the article. rug Jun 2013 #2
Caught me in not reading the whole thing, lol. cbayer Jun 2013 #4
When a claim is unprovable and unfalsifiable.... MellowDem Jun 2013 #3
You are limiting the term "rational" to "scientific". rug Jun 2013 #6
I'm not limiting the term... MellowDem Jun 2013 #9
That is not the premise. rug Jun 2013 #15
Yes, that is the premise... MellowDem Jun 2013 #18
"It's widely known and accepted." rug Jun 2013 #19
don't worry.. some of us bystanders read you loud and clear. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #21
That would be your problem right there. Well, one of them. gcomeau Jun 2013 #33
Of course you can. Let me tell you what your problem is. rug Jun 2013 #37
Wow... gcomeau Jun 2013 #38
No, read it again. rug Jun 2013 #39
ok, I read it again. gcomeau Jun 2013 #40
Good, then you should know we we were discussing the concept of rationality, not proof of God. rug Jun 2013 #41
Perhaps I am not the one who needs to read things again. gcomeau Jun 2013 #44
Since the unkowable is, well, unknown, I would argue that taking a cbayer Jun 2013 #8
You have the question wrong... MellowDem Jun 2013 #10
So do you claim to hold the truth? cbayer Jun 2013 #12
Sure, on some things... MellowDem Jun 2013 #14
But do you specifically claim to hold the truth on the existence of a god or gods? cbayer Jun 2013 #16
It is not similar to what fundamentalists do... MellowDem Jun 2013 #20
It's a lot like it, IMO. cbayer Jun 2013 #22
Not at all, it's called having a position... MellowDem Jun 2013 #27
God of the gaps Act_of_Reparation Jun 2013 #23
God of the gaps is an argument used to prove there is a god. cbayer Jun 2013 #24
what a wonderful post Stargazer99 Jun 2013 #5
They're not my words. The author has a pretty good blog at the link. rug Jun 2013 #7
Gnosis is the common Greek noun for knowledge durbin Jun 2013 #11
So it is. rug Jun 2013 #13
That's funny, I thought asking for personal information durbin Jun 2013 #17
I've had a lot of strange conversations in my life, including odd conversations about epistemology. rug Jun 2013 #25
"The basic concept of God is that it is unknowable" durbin Jun 2013 #26
What the hell are you talking about? rug Jun 2013 #28
Busted. rug Jun 2013 #30
Cool. I knew it was him but he really backed off when challenged. cbayer Jun 2013 #31
Damn, he's persistent. okasha Jun 2013 #35
Which is not a great quality when you just aren't very good at something. cbayer Jun 2013 #36
What about revelations from God that had to be exterminated along with the people that "heard" them? eomer Jun 2013 #42
Gauguin was a pig. That does not diminish his art. rug Jun 2013 #43
You said how you think we know things about God; my point is a different take on that. eomer Jun 2013 #45
Then we have two different opinions. rug Jun 2013 #46
Just to be clear, okasha Jun 2013 #47
I'd prefer not to be rude, so I'm merely going to characterize this article as "piffle" . . . MrModerate Jun 2013 #29
If UPG is roughly equivalent to unprovable gobbledygook, I concur. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #32
It is. gcomeau Jun 2013 #34
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