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MrModerate

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29. I'd prefer not to be rude, so I'm merely going to characterize this article as "piffle" . . .
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 12:32 PM
Jun 2013

Rather than the stronger language it might actually deserve.

Aside from a certain self-indulgent solipsism, the first three paragraphs are at least not grating, but then the author falls on his/her face in graph 4 by grossly misstating the atheist's point of view.

Atheists don't argue that you can't prove a god exists, only that no one has ever done so. If there were any evidence for the existence of god(s) we'd certainly expect the religious to use that evidence. But there isn't, and so they can't.

And THAT is the atheist's argument: because there is zero evidence that god(s) exist, there is zero reason to behave as if they do. Many atheists believe with a moral certainty that there is in fact no supernatural component of the universe whatsoever, but realize that it would be foolish to attempt to prove a negative. And so we don't try. We are content to live our lives happily godless.

The rest of the article quickly degenerates into self-parody, with the author unwilling to commit, one way or the other, to the possible divinity of Batman or the White Rabbit. The attempt to tie this together with the truly laughable concept of 'Unverifiable Personal Gnosis' and the notion that anyone would take reports of such experiences as being in any way meaningful, is pretty much the nail in the theological coffin.

Until the author reveals that this strategy of accepting everyone else's truth as literal is his crafty means of maintaining interfaith dialog — at which time the shambling corpse of self-referential silliness rises from the grave and threatens to eat our brains.

Jesus wept (or perhaps it was the Mad Hatter).

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Had to look up UPG - unverified personal gnosis, I am assuming. cbayer Jun 2013 #1
It's discussed further down in the article. rug Jun 2013 #2
Caught me in not reading the whole thing, lol. cbayer Jun 2013 #4
When a claim is unprovable and unfalsifiable.... MellowDem Jun 2013 #3
You are limiting the term "rational" to "scientific". rug Jun 2013 #6
I'm not limiting the term... MellowDem Jun 2013 #9
That is not the premise. rug Jun 2013 #15
Yes, that is the premise... MellowDem Jun 2013 #18
"It's widely known and accepted." rug Jun 2013 #19
don't worry.. some of us bystanders read you loud and clear. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #21
That would be your problem right there. Well, one of them. gcomeau Jun 2013 #33
Of course you can. Let me tell you what your problem is. rug Jun 2013 #37
Wow... gcomeau Jun 2013 #38
No, read it again. rug Jun 2013 #39
ok, I read it again. gcomeau Jun 2013 #40
Good, then you should know we we were discussing the concept of rationality, not proof of God. rug Jun 2013 #41
Perhaps I am not the one who needs to read things again. gcomeau Jun 2013 #44
Since the unkowable is, well, unknown, I would argue that taking a cbayer Jun 2013 #8
You have the question wrong... MellowDem Jun 2013 #10
So do you claim to hold the truth? cbayer Jun 2013 #12
Sure, on some things... MellowDem Jun 2013 #14
But do you specifically claim to hold the truth on the existence of a god or gods? cbayer Jun 2013 #16
It is not similar to what fundamentalists do... MellowDem Jun 2013 #20
It's a lot like it, IMO. cbayer Jun 2013 #22
Not at all, it's called having a position... MellowDem Jun 2013 #27
God of the gaps Act_of_Reparation Jun 2013 #23
God of the gaps is an argument used to prove there is a god. cbayer Jun 2013 #24
what a wonderful post Stargazer99 Jun 2013 #5
They're not my words. The author has a pretty good blog at the link. rug Jun 2013 #7
Gnosis is the common Greek noun for knowledge durbin Jun 2013 #11
So it is. rug Jun 2013 #13
That's funny, I thought asking for personal information durbin Jun 2013 #17
I've had a lot of strange conversations in my life, including odd conversations about epistemology. rug Jun 2013 #25
"The basic concept of God is that it is unknowable" durbin Jun 2013 #26
What the hell are you talking about? rug Jun 2013 #28
Busted. rug Jun 2013 #30
Cool. I knew it was him but he really backed off when challenged. cbayer Jun 2013 #31
Damn, he's persistent. okasha Jun 2013 #35
Which is not a great quality when you just aren't very good at something. cbayer Jun 2013 #36
What about revelations from God that had to be exterminated along with the people that "heard" them? eomer Jun 2013 #42
Gauguin was a pig. That does not diminish his art. rug Jun 2013 #43
You said how you think we know things about God; my point is a different take on that. eomer Jun 2013 #45
Then we have two different opinions. rug Jun 2013 #46
Just to be clear, okasha Jun 2013 #47
I'd prefer not to be rude, so I'm merely going to characterize this article as "piffle" . . . MrModerate Jun 2013 #29
If UPG is roughly equivalent to unprovable gobbledygook, I concur. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #32
It is. gcomeau Jun 2013 #34
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