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rrneck

(17,671 posts)
46. Fiction vs. fictitious
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 10:35 PM
Jun 2013

Well, that's a distinction without a difference.

If science is morally neutral, are scientists exempt from moral responsibility for the product of their research? That's a pretty nice place to be; the freedom to do your thing without having to consider the ramifications of your actions. Would the scientists who develop a better hair conditioner merit the same accolades as the scientists who develop clean energy? Do I really need to trot out questions about nuclear fission, herbicides, sarin gas, deep water drilling, and Olestra?

Maybe I'm not going far enough up the science food chain. If science, real actual honest to dog pure science, is the discovery of how the universe works apart from whatever applications that follow, what the hell is it good for? I'm as fascinated as the next guy about string theory, the size of the universe and dark matter, but I can't see any of that shit with my own two eyes. A meteor came within a million miles of the planet. Whoopie. A particle so small it takes a machine twenty miles long to detect it's existence. Hooray. If science only exists to produce "gosh facts" it's little more than entertainment itself. And if that's all scientists think they're doing they can buy their own fucking test tubes.

So if science is the practice of a specially trained individual engaged in the discovery of natural laws that require esoteric knowledge and equipment to verify, it starts to sound pretty shamany to me. I really don't need some dude in a white coat to tell me about all kinds of stuff I can't see myself for the sole purpose of inspiring me with the wonder of the universe. I can get that with a sunset. I mean, if that's his objective he's just trying to sell me something I've already got, which is what religion has been doing for thousands of years.

Not necessarily Turbineguy Jun 2013 #1
Yes, I'm referring to people of today. cleanhippie Jun 2013 #5
Nah. nt rrneck Jun 2013 #2
Why not? cleanhippie Jun 2013 #6
Such beliefs, rrneck Jun 2013 #9
I'm afraid that the temporary, willing suspension of disbelief — MrModerate Jun 2013 #37
I'm on a phone right now but rrneck Jun 2013 #39
Sure I believe in the scientific method . . . MrModerate Jun 2013 #44
Fiction vs. fictitious rrneck Jun 2013 #46
If you believe in fiction, you can do anything. immoderate Jun 2013 #3
Not if you make it part of your belief system that the natural laws of the universe... trotsky Jun 2013 #4
So any belief in any god would require one to willfully suspend durbin Jun 2013 #7
Well, yeah. Iggo Jun 2013 #30
No. rug Jun 2013 #8
+1 hrmjustin Jun 2013 #10
+2 okasha Jun 2013 #11
-3 Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #18
+4 rug Jun 2013 #19
shucks i was hoping for the fibonacci sequence. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #21
btw if you're grasping for a comeback.. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #22
Gimme a sec rug Jun 2013 #23
take 2 Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #24
It's positively ethereal. rug Jun 2013 #25
luminiferous even. beautiful. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #26
That was cool. Thanks. nt rrneck Jun 2013 #29
+1.6 goldent Jun 2013 #28
Yep... MellowDem Jun 2013 #12
The notion that the laws of physics could be suspended by a supernatural force struggle4progress Jun 2013 #13
I view this as an exception. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #14
Three (maybe four) posters seem to say "no" to the question. durbin Jun 2013 #15
With those posters you mention, they are demonstrating their hatred of me. cleanhippie Jun 2013 #34
In what respect, Charlie? eomer Jun 2013 #16
the distinction isn't that stark. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #20
It's a distinction of definition, which is the starkest kind. eomer Jun 2013 #31
it's not a useful distinction and historically inaccurate to boot.. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #33
It's an essential distinction for the OP's question. eomer Jun 2013 #38
Exactly...the very concept of the "supernatural" skepticscott Jun 2013 #36
i just wish folks were as eager to pay $10+ to.. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #17
Not if believers can prove it actually happens. Deep13 Jun 2013 #27
a few thousand years and still counting durbin Jun 2013 #32
Right WovenGems Jun 2013 #35
Oh, there have been stories of miracles since then. Deep13 Jun 2013 #40
Seperation WovenGems Jun 2013 #41
Except the sociologist brings her own cultural constructs to whatever the project is. Deep13 Jun 2013 #42
Medieval WovenGems Jun 2013 #43
No, now is decidedly not medieval. Deep13 Jun 2013 #48
I'd say such a belief goldent Jun 2013 #45
The usual argument is that the really good miracles happened before the laws of physics were passed, dimbear Jun 2013 #47
Practically: yes. "Supernatural" anything is a rejection of science. Hume covered that. enki23 Jun 2013 #49
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