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In reply to the discussion: Organized Religion is Failing the Gay and Transgender Community [View all]"My argument was that religious institutions have sometimes been positive forces"
Which was exactly what my comment before you even made your post was talking about. You can argue different angles on them "sometimes being positive forces"... whether it be "sometimes they made people feel better" or "sometimes they made people act in ways I approve of"... or whatever you want. But in every case they do so through means that undercut the foundation of any lasting good coming from them. They not only employ no rational justifications of their own but they *actively undercut* actual real rational ones by declaring that a person's individual baseless preferences and unfounded beliefs about what some supernatural entity wants can be held superior to any challenge from reason or evidence.
So yeah, maybe one day in one town some religious institution is saying something you like that has some beneficial effect, but in doing so they are legitimizing the baseless rationalizations that also underlay other contemptible jackasses saying that God hates gay people or whatever.
Thus... fail. In every case... fail. Without exception... fail.
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so all his/her friends are going to hell if they're not a christian. some friend nt
msongs
Jun 2013
#1
absolutley, and to be honest my small town rural parish lost some members over this
arely staircase
Jun 2013
#5
Good riddance. There will always (sadly) be churches where their bigotry can be coddled
cbayer
Jun 2013
#28
Tell that to all the African Americans who benefitted from the civil rights movement.
cbayer
Jun 2013
#9
Er, I was replying to that post you made, so I'm not sure what you are referring to.
cbayer
Jun 2013
#14
Or tell it to the white slaveholders and the KKK members who made the CRM necessary.
trotsky
Jun 2013
#15
my faith teaches me to find common ground with people of other faiths and no faith at all
arely staircase
Jun 2013
#41
It's only a position that requires intellectual dishonesty and cognitive dissonance
cbayer
Jun 2013
#34
Oh, sorry. It seemed apparent that when you said "your position on god", then went on to
cbayer
Jun 2013
#39
I would also argue that one's position on the lack of god/gods is not more credible than either.
cbayer
Jun 2013
#46