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GliderGuider

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26. Do I "surely" believe that such a thing as a misconception actually exists?
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 10:25 PM
Feb 2012

Last edited Sun Feb 5, 2012, 03:40 PM - Edit history (3)

No, actually I don't.

When a person has a conception - a thought, an idea, an interpretation of some perception - as far as I can tell it is always true to that person. It's based on their knowledge at the time, flavoured and coloured by their life experiences - the things they have been taught, and especially the ways they have learned to manage their feelings. They may suffer from insufficient information, or their experiences may have given them unhealthy patterns of interpretation or counterproductive emotional coping mechanisms, but from the viewpoint of the person having the conception, it is perfectly true - they could have no other conception under those circumstances.

Others may judge my ideas to be misconceptions, but those are their judgments, made from their point of view. Such judgments by others have nothing to do with the internal reality of my ideas.

On the other hand, I also think that every human idea is a misconception. That's because in the end none of us has a "true" conception of reality. Such a thing is literally impossible, because all of us filter external reality in many ways. First we filter it by passing it through sensory organs that have very limited bandwidth. Then it becomes nerve impulses that are prone to electro-chemical distortions. Then it somehow becomes an internal mental "image" by some poorly understood and potentially error-prone mechanism. That mental image is then acted on and modified by our internal algorithmic processes in conjunction with the contents of our memory - reason and logic combined with incomplete knowledge and those learned patterns and reflexive emotions I talked about above. Even worse, all this takes place in a brain that experiences a constant flux of perception- and judgment-altering hormones. In the face of all this, how valid is the judgment of misconception by others who only see limited external manifestations of that interpretive complex process?

From the internal point of view - the subjective, relative, personal view - there is no such thing as misconception. From the external point of view - the objective, impersonal absolute point of view - there is nothing but misconception.

We have complete freedom to bend ideas to our will. I agree that sitting with counter-intuitive insights is valuable, as is working to increase our ability to perceive reality in different ways. I don't agree that doing this will necessarily bring us closer to truth (IMO the existence of Truth is the main human misconception), and even the existence of structure as you define it is a human judgement. However, the effort to understand to reality more deeply will make us more flexible, increase our freedom of thought and our ability to cope with the vagaries of the world. And it's fun.

Assuming you're not too psychologically damaged, so long as you don't get stuck on some notion of absolute truth you'll be OK - no matter what or how you happen to think.

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Not clear what this has to do with religion. Deep13 Feb 2012 #1
A certain pattern of reasoning is repeatedly used Boojatta Feb 2012 #2
Glad I mentioned it... Deep13 Feb 2012 #14
A couple of things Boojatta Feb 2012 #20
The sentence following "one recent example." Deep13 Feb 2012 #27
Does this have a link or did you, as OP make this up? There are... MarkCharles Feb 2012 #3
"Ideas can be ..." Boojatta Feb 2012 #4
I am impressed. Boojatta Feb 2012 #22
We don't understand enough about human ideas to reach any conclusions about alien ideas. Jim__ Feb 2012 #5
And tama Feb 2012 #7
I'm not sure what point you are making. Jim__ Feb 2012 #10
Very simple tama Feb 2012 #11
It's not so much that neural networks manifest in our experience as ... Jim__ Feb 2012 #12
Funda-Mental tama Feb 2012 #17
Mental representation of what? Boojatta Feb 2012 #8
A mental representation of pi, the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter. Jim__ Feb 2012 #9
Before I disagree with anything that you wrote, clarification might be helpful. Boojatta Feb 2012 #18
Can you envision a 4 dimensional sphere? Jim__ Feb 2012 #23
3D and anthropic principle tama Feb 2012 #28
The brain doesn't care pscot Feb 2012 #6
been here done this deacon_sephiroth Feb 2012 #13
Did I post in that thread by Rug? Boojatta Feb 2012 #15
Now the world of imagination is boundless..... yes it is. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #30
Throws Kant's "Critique Of Pure Reason" at OP Odin2005 Feb 2012 #16
Cultural agreements about the nature of reality GliderGuider Feb 2012 #19
The following should be taken at face value, not as a veiled insult. Boojatta Feb 2012 #21
Who decides for me what's a "true conception" and what's a "misconception"? GliderGuider Feb 2012 #24
I didn't point to something in particular and assert that it's a misconception. Boojatta Feb 2012 #25
Do I "surely" believe that such a thing as a misconception actually exists? GliderGuider Feb 2012 #26
Within Australian aboriginal culture for example, "song lines" or "dreamtracks" are accepted as real AlbertCat Feb 2012 #29
"Are they real?" is a culturally determined question. GliderGuider Feb 2012 #31
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