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MellowDem

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50. Telling them your opinion is fact...
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:53 PM
Jul 2013

is a form of manipulation to take advantage of their lack of cognitive ability to instill what you want them to believe. Manipulating vulnerable minds for for one's own benefit or based on a delusion is always shameful IMHO.

Please note: [View all] mr blur Jul 2013 OP
Oh goody, it's Post A Cartoon Day. rug Jul 2013 #1
And? skepticscott Jul 2013 #2
Dawkins only discusses ideas and doesn't call people stupid ignorant or insane. rug Jul 2013 #18
If you have an idea to discuss skepticscott Jul 2013 #38
I cater to my reader. rug Jul 2013 #39
Do you disagree or agree with that? Goblinmonger Jul 2013 #3
I do not agree that it is only stupid ignorant or insane people that do not "believe" in evolution. rug Jul 2013 #19
So what other kinds of people skepticscott Jul 2013 #40
So, do you consider that Dawkins quote to be engaging ideas or people? rug Jul 2013 #47
I think those three things pretty much cover it. Goblinmonger Jul 2013 #72
Spot on quote nt MellowDem Jul 2013 #7
I suppose it is if you consider evolution a belief. rug Jul 2013 #20
No, it's a proposition... MellowDem Jul 2013 #25
Except the "spot on quote" calls it a belief. rug Jul 2013 #28
Where? MellowDem Jul 2013 #36
Oh? What you believe is not a belief? rug Jul 2013 #37
Propositions I hold to be true are beliefs... MellowDem Jul 2013 #49
Well, Dawkins should be more careful. rug Jul 2013 #51
Dawkins did not call it a belief in that quote Lordquinton Jul 2013 #59
I think the plain meaning of his words are clear. rug Jul 2013 #62
They were very clear Lordquinton Jul 2013 #68
Well, I know you have trouble with just words on their own. mr blur Jul 2013 #93
Here, have a religious discusion. rug Jul 2013 #94
What about people who hold an idea? nt el_bryanto Jul 2013 #4
Are we allowed to tell them we think they're wrong? trotsky Jul 2013 #5
Of course you would be allowed to do that el_bryanto Jul 2013 #8
It's not just atheists who have stated that. trotsky Jul 2013 #10
Hmmmmm el_bryanto Jul 2013 #14
No, I'm not much for answering loaded, simplistic questions. trotsky Jul 2013 #15
I don't understand how anybody can feel like something is child abuse and not el_bryanto Jul 2013 #16
You are of course free to answer or not answer anything I ask of you. trotsky Jul 2013 #24
The only difference I suppose is that I will explain what types of religious indoctrination el_bryanto Jul 2013 #26
How many scenarios should we cover? 10? 100? 1000? trotsky Jul 2013 #29
The thing is that in the arguments I've had el_bryanto Jul 2013 #31
Well of course not ALL religious indoctrination is child abuse. trotsky Jul 2013 #33
Do you read any other posts by your fellow atheists? el_bryanto Jul 2013 #35
I have no idea what you think you've read. trotsky Jul 2013 #42
I'll have to point them out to you some time. n t el_bryanto Jul 2013 #45
True DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #79
Did someone state that? trotsky Jul 2013 #81
that has been said many times DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #82
Oooh! Evil Dawkins! trotsky Jul 2013 #88
Not to downplay a mental pain DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #89
Here's what trotsky was alluding to Goblinmonger Jul 2013 #90
As we've seen, few people let silly things like facts get in the way of a good Dawkins bashing. trotsky Jul 2013 #91
"unless the teaching of hell..." Lordquinton Jul 2013 #60
So you don't feel that protecting children from Child Abuse is a necessity? nt el_bryanto Jul 2013 #69
Not what I said Lordquinton Jul 2013 #83
It's only a distraction because if you don't have the courage of your convictions. nt el_bryanto Jul 2013 #85
Nope, not that either Lordquinton Jul 2013 #92
It's not teaching people have a problem with... MellowDem Jul 2013 #21
You're allowed to be a believer just so long as you are embarrassed or ashamed by it? el_bryanto Jul 2013 #23
Well said. Thanks. cbayer Jul 2013 #27
No, not what I said.... MellowDem Jul 2013 #30
Just a heads up. Belittling and mocking are rarely effective or persuasive. cbayer Jul 2013 #32
And telling your child god exists as fact is shameful nt MellowDem Jul 2013 #43
Shameful? How so? cbayer Jul 2013 #44
Telling them your opinion is fact... MellowDem Jul 2013 #50
There you go with the delusion accusation again. cbayer Jul 2013 #52
Yes, telling them there is not a god as fact is no better... MellowDem Jul 2013 #55
So what makes you think that many religious people don't do the same. cbayer Jul 2013 #57
Statistics... MellowDem Jul 2013 #63
What statistics? What evidence? cbayer Jul 2013 #64
The link I already posted to you in another thread and that you already saw... MellowDem Jul 2013 #66
So if I told my kids at some point Goblinmonger Jul 2013 #74
In practice... LeftishBrit Jul 2013 #6
It's easy to spot... MellowDem Jul 2013 #9
Noted, but who has said anything different? cbayer Jul 2013 #11
Some on this very site... MellowDem Jul 2013 #12
Show me where those on this site have said that religious ideas can't be discussed or challenged. cbayer Jul 2013 #13
To call religious belief a "personal characteristic" MellowDem Jul 2013 #17
It's not wrong. It's just wrong in your opinion. cbayer Jul 2013 #22
Of course it's my opinion... MellowDem Jul 2013 #34
Agree with some of what you say about the definition of bigotry. cbayer Jul 2013 #41
Pre-judging a group is bigotry... MellowDem Jul 2013 #46
You don't get to define the word. cbayer Jul 2013 #48
How does one prejudge a belief... MellowDem Jul 2013 #53
Say what? This is some pretty tangled pretzel logic. cbayer Jul 2013 #54
Any with prejudice in it... MellowDem Jul 2013 #56
I really have no idea what you are saying. Have you found a corroborating definition yet? cbayer Jul 2013 #58
It is possible to pre-judge anything, including beliefs. kwassa Jul 2013 #61
You're very confused, cbayer. trotsky Jul 2013 #73
Not true, as this definition shows kwassa Jul 2013 #77
cbayer wanted a source. trotsky Jul 2013 #80
Here's an example: muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #75
You are rapidly losing it, muriel. rug Jul 2013 #76
Not going there, muriel. This thing that goes on between the OP, rug and you is highly cbayer Jul 2013 #78
If you close your eyes to it, it's not surprising that you don't notice when it happens muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #84
Close my eyes to what? The petty bickering that goes on here between cbayer Jul 2013 #86
You don't have to reply to it; but you wanted examples of DUers saying religion should be challenged muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #87
It "originated" all over the internet, AFAIK. onager Jul 2013 #65
What do you think of the specific defense of islamophobiia at the bottom. cbayer Jul 2013 #71
Good article on this topic... onager Jul 2013 #67
Another good article. rug Jul 2013 #70
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