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MellowDem

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53. How does one prejudge a belief...

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 06:23 PM

Jul 2013

One must know a belief to judge it. Even if a person misattributes the belief to another group, it's not a pre judgment of the belief, and the judgment of the mislabeled group is simply a mistake, not a prejudgment.

Even if a person misunderstands a belief, and judges it on that understanding, it's still a mistake, and not a pre-judgment. Remember that a belief is the proposition something is true. Indeed, if a person says that they believe black people are inferior, how is it possible for my judgment of that belief to be a pre-judgment? Beliefs can be prejudicial. Judgments of beliefs cannot.

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Oh goody, it's Post A Cartoon Day. rug Jul 2013 #1

And? skepticscott Jul 2013 #2

Dawkins only discusses ideas and doesn't call people stupid ignorant or insane. rug Jul 2013 #18

If you have an idea to discuss skepticscott Jul 2013 #38

I cater to my reader. rug Jul 2013 #39

Do you disagree or agree with that? Goblinmonger Jul 2013 #3

I do not agree that it is only stupid ignorant or insane people that do not "believe" in evolution. rug Jul 2013 #19

So what other kinds of people skepticscott Jul 2013 #40

So, do you consider that Dawkins quote to be engaging ideas or people? rug Jul 2013 #47

I think those three things pretty much cover it. Goblinmonger Jul 2013 #72

Spot on quote nt MellowDem Jul 2013 #7

I suppose it is if you consider evolution a belief. rug Jul 2013 #20

No, it's a proposition... MellowDem Jul 2013 #25

Except the "spot on quote" calls it a belief. rug Jul 2013 #28

Where? MellowDem Jul 2013 #36

Oh? What you believe is not a belief? rug Jul 2013 #37

Propositions I hold to be true are beliefs... MellowDem Jul 2013 #49

Well, Dawkins should be more careful. rug Jul 2013 #51

Dawkins did not call it a belief in that quote Lordquinton Jul 2013 #59

I think the plain meaning of his words are clear. rug Jul 2013 #62

They were very clear Lordquinton Jul 2013 #68

Well, I know you have trouble with just words on their own. mr blur Jul 2013 #93

Here, have a religious discusion. rug Jul 2013 #94

What about people who hold an idea? nt el_bryanto Jul 2013 #4

Are we allowed to tell them we think they're wrong? trotsky Jul 2013 #5

Of course you would be allowed to do that el_bryanto Jul 2013 #8

It's not just atheists who have stated that. trotsky Jul 2013 #10

Hmmmmm el_bryanto Jul 2013 #14

No, I'm not much for answering loaded, simplistic questions. trotsky Jul 2013 #15

I don't understand how anybody can feel like something is child abuse and not el_bryanto Jul 2013 #16

You are of course free to answer or not answer anything I ask of you. trotsky Jul 2013 #24

The only difference I suppose is that I will explain what types of religious indoctrination el_bryanto Jul 2013 #26

How many scenarios should we cover? 10? 100? 1000? trotsky Jul 2013 #29

The thing is that in the arguments I've had el_bryanto Jul 2013 #31

Well of course not ALL religious indoctrination is child abuse. trotsky Jul 2013 #33

Do you read any other posts by your fellow atheists? el_bryanto Jul 2013 #35

I have no idea what you think you've read. trotsky Jul 2013 #42

I'll have to point them out to you some time. n t el_bryanto Jul 2013 #45

True DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #79

Did someone state that? trotsky Jul 2013 #81

that has been said many times DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #82

Oooh! Evil Dawkins! trotsky Jul 2013 #88

Not to downplay a mental pain DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #89

Here's what trotsky was alluding to Goblinmonger Jul 2013 #90

As we've seen, few people let silly things like facts get in the way of a good Dawkins bashing. trotsky Jul 2013 #91

"unless the teaching of hell..." Lordquinton Jul 2013 #60

So you don't feel that protecting children from Child Abuse is a necessity? nt el_bryanto Jul 2013 #69

Not what I said Lordquinton Jul 2013 #83

It's only a distraction because if you don't have the courage of your convictions. nt el_bryanto Jul 2013 #85

Nope, not that either Lordquinton Jul 2013 #92

It's not teaching people have a problem with... MellowDem Jul 2013 #21

You're allowed to be a believer just so long as you are embarrassed or ashamed by it? el_bryanto Jul 2013 #23

Well said. Thanks. cbayer Jul 2013 #27

No, not what I said.... MellowDem Jul 2013 #30

Just a heads up. Belittling and mocking are rarely effective or persuasive. cbayer Jul 2013 #32

And telling your child god exists as fact is shameful nt MellowDem Jul 2013 #43

Shameful? How so? cbayer Jul 2013 #44

Telling them your opinion is fact... MellowDem Jul 2013 #50

There you go with the delusion accusation again. cbayer Jul 2013 #52

Yes, telling them there is not a god as fact is no better... MellowDem Jul 2013 #55

So what makes you think that many religious people don't do the same. cbayer Jul 2013 #57

Statistics... MellowDem Jul 2013 #63

What statistics? What evidence? cbayer Jul 2013 #64

The link I already posted to you in another thread and that you already saw... MellowDem Jul 2013 #66

So if I told my kids at some point Goblinmonger Jul 2013 #74

In practice... LeftishBrit Jul 2013 #6

It's easy to spot... MellowDem Jul 2013 #9

Noted, but who has said anything different? cbayer Jul 2013 #11

Some on this very site... MellowDem Jul 2013 #12

Show me where those on this site have said that religious ideas can't be discussed or challenged. cbayer Jul 2013 #13

To call religious belief a "personal characteristic" MellowDem Jul 2013 #17

It's not wrong. It's just wrong in your opinion. cbayer Jul 2013 #22

Of course it's my opinion... MellowDem Jul 2013 #34

Agree with some of what you say about the definition of bigotry. cbayer Jul 2013 #41

Pre-judging a group is bigotry... MellowDem Jul 2013 #46

You don't get to define the word. cbayer Jul 2013 #48

How does one prejudge a belief... MellowDem Jul 2013 #53

Say what? This is some pretty tangled pretzel logic. cbayer Jul 2013 #54

Any with prejudice in it... MellowDem Jul 2013 #56

I really have no idea what you are saying. Have you found a corroborating definition yet? cbayer Jul 2013 #58

It is possible to pre-judge anything, including beliefs. kwassa Jul 2013 #61

You're very confused, cbayer. trotsky Jul 2013 #73

Not true, as this definition shows kwassa Jul 2013 #77

cbayer wanted a source. trotsky Jul 2013 #80

Here's an example: muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #75

You are rapidly losing it, muriel. rug Jul 2013 #76

Not going there, muriel. This thing that goes on between the OP, rug and you is highly cbayer Jul 2013 #78

If you close your eyes to it, it's not surprising that you don't notice when it happens muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #84

Close my eyes to what? The petty bickering that goes on here between cbayer Jul 2013 #86

You don't have to reply to it; but you wanted examples of DUers saying religion should be challenged muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #87

It "originated" all over the internet, AFAIK. onager Jul 2013 #65

What do you think of the specific defense of islamophobiia at the bottom. cbayer Jul 2013 #71

Good article on this topic... onager Jul 2013 #67

Another good article. rug Jul 2013 #70