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pinto

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Mon Jul 29, 2013, 04:11 PM Jul 2013

Both of these are true - There is no god. There is a god. - And both are false. [View all]

Was reading a Scientific American article this morning on new takes in quantum physics. One of those pieces where you read three paragraphs at a time. Then sit back and go, "Do I get this?" Then re-read or wade on to the next three.

The thinking goes like this, in this decidedly layman's take - physics has evolved from the Newtonian standard that there are fixed points, items, particles. Quantum theory built on that to expand the view that there are those definite points, particles but they move around in fields while remaining independent, discrete pieces of reality. So their locations are a variable. But not their uniqueness. Their singularity.

It's the billiard ball concept meets Einstein's inclusion of light as a constant, i.e. e=mc squared. Einstein had some doubts about that being the end all, be all and was working on an expanded picture at the end of his career.

A group of physicists are suggesting a different take. Toss out the particle aspect completely. You can't define them, locate them or move beyond parsing more and more particles as the big picture.

There is no there, there. So, they support starting from perception as a basic standard of "reality". Here's their example -

Say I stand facing you. I'm to focus on your eye in the right side of my visual field. You are to focus on my eye in the right side of your visual field. Both are on the right in our perception. And both are on the left in our perception. We are both looking at the other's left eye in one take. Yet we see it to the right in another.

Both are true and both are false. One does not negate the other. The whole includes both perceptions, is both perceptions.

Rambling here, probably missed some of the scientific nuance - had to look up some of the terminology - but it got me to thinking.

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A Scientific American article on quantum physics? I am genuinely impressed. cbayer Jul 2013 #1
The article was impenetrable at times. There was stuff like this - pinto Jul 2013 #5
I took 4 years of calculus - no problem, but physics kicked my butt. cbayer Jul 2013 #6
I could never wrap my brain around. AlbertCat Jul 2013 #28
I'll ask this guy. rug Jul 2013 #2
LOL. Is his head to the right or the left? Is water wet? pinto Jul 2013 #3
Looks like refraction in a pool. rug Jul 2013 #4
Thread winner, rug! longship Jul 2013 #9
application of concepts from quantum physics to other areas are almost always nonsense. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #7
I don't get what you mean. pinto Jul 2013 #12
Quantum physics describes the nature of physical reality at the micro level. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #14
Thanks Warren edhopper Jul 2013 #15
Relevant: trotsky Jul 2013 #17
I read an article. Got some ideas from it. Posted. Probably a mistake to use a religious analogy. pinto Jul 2013 #21
s'okay edhopper Jul 2013 #22
Mostly what I get from delving into modern physics is an appreciation Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #24
I know what you mean edhopper Jul 2013 #25
Here's the lead of the piece I read - pinto Jul 2013 #20
Yeah, three paragraphs and I'm done. RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #8
Quantum is just the way the universe is. longship Jul 2013 #10
Thanks for the lead, I'll check it out. (aside) I'm peddling nothing here. Honestly. pinto Jul 2013 #11
Yup! But field theory is still the real deal, for now. longship Jul 2013 #13
Interesting edhopper Jul 2013 #16
Is the article "What is Real" by Meinard Kuhlman? Jim__ Jul 2013 #18
Yeah. They ran it with the "What is Real?" title. Here's what is currently up on the SA website - pinto Jul 2013 #19
God? I thought all that was about a cat. MissMarple Jul 2013 #23
Looking forward to reading the August issue exboyfil Jul 2013 #26
Hogwash. Particles are neither unique nor immortal. DetlefK Jul 2013 #27
I understood the article to say structural relations are important and not perspective. Jim__ Jul 2013 #29
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