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longship

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13. Yup! But field theory is still the real deal, for now.
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:52 PM
Jul 2013

Strings are basically dead, as many could have predicted decades ago. Us mathematical modelers have been saying as much for a long time. There's always some damned set of equations that model reality. But it's a great leap from the model to a statement that the mathematical model describes reality.

I know this gets into the perilous demarcation argument of whether the universe is governed by mathematics. However, when an equation has a certain beauty, an elegance, a simplicity that goes beyond description and makes predictions because that's the only fucking way that it works then you've possibly found something new about the universe.

We've seen this happen time and time again, from Archimedes to Einstein and beyond.

The universe is discoverable using mathematics because both are organized principles of logic. The universe, whatever it is, obeys the same universal rules. It is what it is. But mathematics is a logical way to approach a modeling of such a universe if that modeling is driven by the evidence and is predictive.

Unfortunately, those doing Strings have not yet made a testable prediction and field theory is still doing all the heavy lifting.

Interesting stuff, eh?

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A Scientific American article on quantum physics? I am genuinely impressed. cbayer Jul 2013 #1
The article was impenetrable at times. There was stuff like this - pinto Jul 2013 #5
I took 4 years of calculus - no problem, but physics kicked my butt. cbayer Jul 2013 #6
I could never wrap my brain around. AlbertCat Jul 2013 #28
I'll ask this guy. rug Jul 2013 #2
LOL. Is his head to the right or the left? Is water wet? pinto Jul 2013 #3
Looks like refraction in a pool. rug Jul 2013 #4
Thread winner, rug! longship Jul 2013 #9
application of concepts from quantum physics to other areas are almost always nonsense. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #7
I don't get what you mean. pinto Jul 2013 #12
Quantum physics describes the nature of physical reality at the micro level. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #14
Thanks Warren edhopper Jul 2013 #15
Relevant: trotsky Jul 2013 #17
I read an article. Got some ideas from it. Posted. Probably a mistake to use a religious analogy. pinto Jul 2013 #21
s'okay edhopper Jul 2013 #22
Mostly what I get from delving into modern physics is an appreciation Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #24
I know what you mean edhopper Jul 2013 #25
Here's the lead of the piece I read - pinto Jul 2013 #20
Yeah, three paragraphs and I'm done. RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #8
Quantum is just the way the universe is. longship Jul 2013 #10
Thanks for the lead, I'll check it out. (aside) I'm peddling nothing here. Honestly. pinto Jul 2013 #11
Yup! But field theory is still the real deal, for now. longship Jul 2013 #13
Interesting edhopper Jul 2013 #16
Is the article "What is Real" by Meinard Kuhlman? Jim__ Jul 2013 #18
Yeah. They ran it with the "What is Real?" title. Here's what is currently up on the SA website - pinto Jul 2013 #19
God? I thought all that was about a cat. MissMarple Jul 2013 #23
Looking forward to reading the August issue exboyfil Jul 2013 #26
Hogwash. Particles are neither unique nor immortal. DetlefK Jul 2013 #27
I understood the article to say structural relations are important and not perspective. Jim__ Jul 2013 #29
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