Religion

Thats my opinion

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106. Thanks for the questions

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 04:17 PM

Dec 2011

Trotsky, for a long time you have been one of those whose attacks I have believed are not to open up any discussion in which reasonable people can work through differences, but a categorical condemnation. I know many of my limitations, but failing to communicate well is not one of them. I've got decades of evidence about that.

Yes, I know there are those of you offended by what I have said. But the notion that I continually criticize atheism does not seem on target. Compared to the constant condemnation of all things religious, it is an elephant and rabbit stew--one elephant and one rabbit

The continual reference to something I said in my first post a year ago is curious, although I have answered it repeatedly--even if I did not say what you wanted me to say. I'll try one more time Both religion and non-religion have an essential place in any society. I would not want to live in a society without both. They form an essential corrective to the other. They both can evidence a positive ethic--and both can evidence a negative ethic, and that is why we need both in any society. Do you really have a problem with that repeated answer?

Is it possible in this new forum that we can both be ciivil? I hope so.

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A modest proposal [View all] Thats my opinion Dec 2011 OP

I think that belief/lack of belief is open for criticism EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #1

Here's the problem that I have with "eliminate all posts or threads.... Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #2

I see a problem in your third paragraph Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #14

I don't think that is a problem as much as it is my point. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #17

If we did not have politicians saying god Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #18

But these things are not said here, and this is where the debate is, Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #27

Part of that may be true Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #28

I know you hate this being brought up Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #37

If you are really interested in what I believe- Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #47

AD---of course, but why fight off people from somewhere else who say stupid hurtful things? Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #25

This post was not directed to you Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #26

The problem with that is that some see any critique of a belief as demeaning, no matter how politely iris27 Dec 2011 #3

Bingo NMMNG Dec 2011 #15

But has anyone here said that or even believes it? nt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #31

Yes, and if you don't know that you haven't been reading many posts here. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #36

You're kidding, right? Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #38

Not here or on r/t Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #69

So... Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #73

Are you serious? beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #44

Often Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #48

I don't believe you. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #53

In this thread!! Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #89

Fail. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #94

The same is true for disbelief. nt bananas Dec 2011 #21

From the group's SOP. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #4

Religion is all about emotion. rrneck Dec 2011 #5

And that is an interesting comment Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #70

I'm an artist. rrneck Dec 2011 #74

Good, I'm also an artist Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #88

Well, for me rrneck Dec 2011 #90

Do you REALLY not see how insulting this is? cleanhippie Dec 2011 #123

Why does anyone believe anything at all? nt LARED Dec 2011 #126

As usual, you have nothing to add. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #128

Ridicule, while often fun, is neither discussion nor evidence of anything. rug Dec 2011 #6

What you consider ridicule may seem like... EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #8

Let the jury decide. rug Dec 2011 #10

really? lazarus Dec 2011 #19

Bullshit smells regardless of belief. rug Dec 2011 #20

Yeah, I'm concerned too, especially considering darkstar3 Dec 2011 #23

What? No way! trotsky Dec 2011 #62

But why can't we try? nt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #71

I don't think it is appropriate to censor posts in this group/forum. trotsky Dec 2011 #7

As are negative articles about atheism/agnosticism EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #9

For the record, atheists aren't the people trying to limit what's posted in this group. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #11

I know, and it's a little bit disturbing <nt> EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #12

That puts us right back into the toxic mess we found in r/t Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #33

If you don't like the group, find or found another one. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #35

You are losing this battle. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #39

The toxic mess you helped create, you mean. trotsky Dec 2011 #59

Negative articles about non-religion are not acceptable. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #49

Where is that written? darkstar3 Dec 2011 #50

So you object to your own defamation of atheism? laconicsax Dec 2011 #52

It's simply not true that negative articles about non-religion are not acceptable here. The top iris27 Dec 2011 #54

Defamed atheism. Would being told we're no different than the KKK qualify? beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #56

Says who? trotsky Dec 2011 #60

a good example of wanting to wallow some more in the toxic waste of r/t Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #72

And you're doing your best to generate even more of that waste. n/t trotsky Dec 2011 #78

The only wallowing here is being done by you. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #80

What think ye? NMMNG Dec 2011 #13

Bingo. n/t trotsky Dec 2011 #61

On the surface what you purpose is fine Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #16

If anything I post is an attack on atheism, you have a point. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #29

You routinely denigrate non-believers! laconicsax Dec 2011 #30

Exactly right. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #34

bye n/t cleanhippie Dec 2011 #58

How about the other points I addressed in my post?? Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #32

I intend to post nothing--nor have I--that attacks atheism. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #40

Incorrect, as you have been repeatedly reminded. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #41

Are you deliberately false? laconicsax Dec 2011 #42

I have never said you attacked atheism Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #43

800 posts isnt that much. rrneck Dec 2011 #79

You just never quit, do you? skepticscott Dec 2011 #22

I'd take your request more seriously if you apologized for your posts which demeaned non-believers. laconicsax Dec 2011 #24

Please tell me where I have demeaned non-believers. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #45

What guarantee can you give me that you will listen? laconicsax Dec 2011 #46

When have I denegrated atheists? nt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #51

YOU'VE BEEN TOLD EACH TIME! laconicsax Dec 2011 #55

Why do you ask questions NMMNG Dec 2011 #57

IMO, the course of this thread clearly exhibits the continuing problems of this forum struggle4progress Dec 2011 #63

Taking the OP in isolation maybe, but given the poster's history... Humanist_Activist Dec 2011 #64

The stuff TMO claims he doesn't want to see is, and has always been, against the rules. trotsky Dec 2011 #65

Please! Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #75

Yes, I have read your clairification before. trotsky Dec 2011 #77

I have never said superior. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #93

You put forth so much effort to deny what your words clearly say. trotsky Dec 2011 #95

Bye. nt skepticscott Dec 2011 #96

see #75 Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #98

You haven't given an answer. trotsky Dec 2011 #99

No sir Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #101

What you said, yet again, was that trotsky Dec 2011 #102

Unfortunately, your arguments and your stance are completely assailable. PassingFair Dec 2011 #84

Why do we need religion?? Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #85

I'll give it a try, reserving the position that this is far too general and complex Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #132

Thank you for the reply Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #134

"Because much of life for all of us would be very one dimensional and grey without it." cleanhippie Dec 2011 #135

There is a SOP for this group. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #66

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #67

If you weren't such an uppity atheist this wouldn't bother you, you know. trotsky Dec 2011 #68

Advocation of censorship has no place here. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #81

With all due respect, I strongly and vehemently disagree EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #114

I am not asking for censorship, only civility nt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #118

Are you asking that certain opinions, statements, and stories not be posted here? darkstar3 Dec 2011 #120

I can respect a call for civility EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #124

You SPECIFICALLY asked for censorship. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #125

This message was self-deleted by its author deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #76

A modest reply deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #82

I've always enjoyed the cage fighting atmosphere of this group. hunter Dec 2011 #83

+1. "Nobody has to come here." trotsky Dec 2011 #86

Good point, I didn't actually think of that deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #87

Except that they don't skepticscott Dec 2011 #92

A difficult suggestion to comply with. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2011 #91

And here I was ready to discuss uriel1972 Dec 2011 #97

I guess we've said all that need to be said Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #100

avoiding loaded questions? lazarus Dec 2011 #103

I have answered that question over and over again. The latest is in #45 Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #104

I ask you this question in all sincerity: trotsky Dec 2011 #105

Thanks for the questions Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #106

The reason we have a problem is that your repeated "answers" and clarifications... trotsky Dec 2011 #107

Aren't even you weary of parsing what I said a year ago? I am. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #108

Just forget it. trotsky Dec 2011 #110

Back in the day, we called that "jive talking" cleanhippie Dec 2011 #112

to your last question Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #109

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #111

You can't even define "religious ethics" skepticscott Dec 2011 #113

Back up in post #85 I asked aquestion Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #115

You are looking for a whole theological book. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #119

I am just asking for YOUR reasons why we need religion Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #121

I made an attempt to answer your question. See 132 nt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #133

Name ONE! skepticscott Dec 2011 #116

of course, that is true. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #117

So in other words, you claim that skepticscott Dec 2011 #122

And once again you cut and run skepticscott Dec 2011 #129

Perhaps create a group "Religion vs Atheism" . . . MrModerate Dec 2011 #127

If we have to wear trunks to post, this place will be empty in an hour. rug Dec 2011 #130

Only if such a group was completely unmoderated. deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #131

And where would be the appropriate place to discuss iris27 Dec 2011 #136

In answer to your first question, I'd say the Religion group . . . MrModerate Dec 2011 #137

Yeah, I think we've got enough confusion with the various groups that exist already. iris27 Dec 2011 #138