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cbayer

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Fri Aug 9, 2013, 01:28 PM Aug 2013

Atheism is maturing, and it will leave Richard Dawkins behind [View all]

http://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2013/08/atheism-maturing-and-it-will-leave-richard-dawkins-behind

Increasingly, Richard Dawkins' public output resembles that of a man desperately grasping for attention and relevance in a maturing community.
BY MARTIN ROBBINS PUBLISHED 09 AUGUST 2013 12:02



In the olden days, at the turn of the century, it was hard to come by vaguely-racist bigotry in our day-to-day lives. Back then you had to go and visit your grandparents a few times a year, and sit there quietly while they talked about the coloured folk in the corner shop and how you couldn’t walk to Sainsbury’s to buy your Daily Mail without being robbed by a gang of Asians. Then somebody built Twitter, and then Richard Dawkins joined.

@RichardDawkins is the increasingly erratic comedy creation of a bored Oxford Professor called Richard Dawkins. One of the best science writers of the last few decades, Dawkins has succeeding in crafting an online character that ironically parodies the more militant tendencies in capital-A Atheism, serving as a useful reminder for all of us to be more nuanced and tolerant.

Or at least that’s the kind interpretation. The alternative is that one of Britain’s leading intellectuals really has degenerated to the point where he believes that the following is an intelligent argument:

All the world's Muslims have fewer Nobel Prizes than Trinity College, Cambridge. They did great things in the Middle Ages, though.

— Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins) August 8, 2013


Unsurprisingly, a lot of people have found this offensive. It contains no meaningful criticism of religion, nor can it reasonably imply any – there are many reasons why the residents of North Africa or the Middle East win less Nobel prizes than Cambridge scholars, just as there are many reasons why more men than women win Nobel prizes. And ‘designated religion’ is a long way down that list. Besides, on what planet are Nobel Prizes the best metric for achievement or progress?

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Ho-hum, another silly article by someone who wants to organize non believers into a church Warpy Aug 2013 #1
Martin Robbins want to organize non-believers into a church? cbayer Aug 2013 #3
There is no 'leadership', nor 'leadership positions' muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #19
Of course there are leaders and leadership positions. cbayer Aug 2013 #22
It's laughable what a formula it's become. trotsky Aug 2013 #10
What you said. +1000 Th1onein Aug 2013 #35
Dawkins is, "desperately grasping for attention and relevance in a maturing community?" immoderate Aug 2013 #2
It's bigger than the Nobel remark, as the writer points out in the article. cbayer Aug 2013 #4
No he doesn't. No other statement of Dawkins is cited. immoderate Aug 2013 #7
I guess if you can find a way to support this, it must work for you. cbayer Aug 2013 #9
Religions suppress science. I think you know this. immoderate Aug 2013 #13
Some do, some don't. cbayer Aug 2013 #14
Dawkins thinks that Islam is driven by superstition. immoderate Aug 2013 #18
Seems to be a new standard apologist tactic. trotsky Aug 2013 #21
If it's a hit piece, it's a hit piece by a fellow atheist. cbayer Aug 2013 #25
"You are apparently in one camp, and I am in the other." trotsky Aug 2013 #27
Any growing social movement will find reasons to splinter after a bunch of years. They all do. immoderate Aug 2013 #29
Are you sure about Dawkins' being unwilling to suppress anyone's rights? okasha Aug 2013 #30
Simple. Not everything abusive is criminal. immoderate Aug 2013 #32
Let's be clear. okasha Aug 2013 #34
Sounds like you're all primed for a round of word games. So let's see how clear I can get. immoderate Aug 2013 #38
Nope, I'm not the one who's equivocating. okasha Aug 2013 #65
You assert that a commission of "abuse," even a definition, is criminal. That requires equivocation. immoderate Aug 2013 #68
Are you sure you are quoting Dawkins accurately? trotsky Aug 2013 #33
I don't know about the state where you live, okasha Aug 2013 #66
Great, so you agree with Dawkins Lordquinton Aug 2013 #69
Agree, and there is some splintering going on. cbayer Aug 2013 #41
Dawkins may believe that theism is detrimental to human development. immoderate Aug 2013 #43
Well, you may think that, but I don't think you'll find any data to back that up. cbayer Aug 2013 #44
No data? trotsky Aug 2013 #79
He's responding in kind to the people he's set up against Lordquinton Aug 2013 #37
Really? What anti-atheists would they be? cbayer Aug 2013 #42
There is a big difference between the two Lordquinton Aug 2013 #54
Sorry, but anyone who puts themselves out there and says that most of the world cbayer Aug 2013 #55
And if you can't counter the message, you counter the messanger Lordquinton Aug 2013 #70
You keep defending him, if that works for you. It's becoming clearer that you have cbayer Aug 2013 #73
Again, can't actually counter the message with substance Lordquinton Aug 2013 #76
History clearly indicates the latter. trotsky Aug 2013 #80
There is no context with twitter. cbayer Aug 2013 #82
Dawkins is a loudmouth, but it's fascinating that... TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #5
" Besides, on what planet are Nobel Prizes the best metric for achievement or progress? " Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #6
Using that reasoning, then women have inferior records cbayer Aug 2013 #8
Yes and when we ask why we have some good answers. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #12
Very good, Warren Stupidity! okasha Aug 2013 #15
Lets try Islamic culture crippled development. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #23
Let's try European colonialism okasha Aug 2013 #26
No really it didn't. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #39
And what about institutionalized religious bigotry? cbayer Aug 2013 #16
In which institution does one find the religious bigotry you are attempting to identify? trotsky Aug 2013 #20
Institutionalized religious bigotry stopped Islamic countries developing their universities? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #24
christianity left Christ behind about 2000 years ago rurallib Aug 2013 #11
Straight from the ethnocentic comfort of British academia. rug Aug 2013 #17
I guess he would like to be like Peter, considered a founder of something. CBGLuthier Aug 2013 #28
Peter founded a superstition. Dawkins made actual scientific discoveries. immoderate Aug 2013 #31
He didn't make any actual scientific discoveries about god. cbayer Aug 2013 #40
What? There are zero scientific discoveries "about gods". Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #45
Exactly. cbayer Aug 2013 #46
Nor did he formulate a philosophy. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #47
Oh, but he did. cbayer Aug 2013 #48
No. Atheism predates Dawkins by quite a few years. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #49
He's an anti-theist. cbayer Aug 2013 #50
I'd respond if there was something there to respond to. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #51
Bull. Not all atheists believe that and you don't speak for all atheists. cbayer Aug 2013 #57
A delusional belief is not necessarily a mental illness. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #58
Yes, Warren, it is. It is by definition a fixed belief that is firmly held cbayer Aug 2013 #59
So a person who believes that Friday 13 Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #63
The Friday the 13th thing is a superstition for most that believe it. cbayer Aug 2013 #64
What you're calling "delusional" okasha Aug 2013 #67
No, the "logical implication" is not LTX Aug 2013 #62
"when those [beliefs]do not infringe on the rights of others" Lordquinton Aug 2013 #71
There are also places where you could be killed for being a christian cbayer Aug 2013 #74
Does that invalidate anything else I've said? Lordquinton Aug 2013 #75
No, it doesn't invalidate what you have said at all. cbayer Aug 2013 #81
If you're curious, what really sunk their efforts was infighting, tribalism, dimbear Aug 2013 #36
Atheists come in all shapes and sizes LynnTTT Aug 2013 #52
yes we are..... madrchsod Aug 2013 #53
Completely agree. Welcome to the Religion Group. cbayer Aug 2013 #56
Such truth. bravenak Aug 2013 #77
This controversy was exacerbated LTX Aug 2013 #60
And then claims that it was taken out of context, as if there were any actual context when cbayer Aug 2013 #61
Actually there may be a context eilen Aug 2013 #78
I didn't know that (not a tweeter), but I didn't see any links it what has been reposted. cbayer Aug 2013 #83
I thought the main purpose of twitter was to send message like goldent Aug 2013 #72
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