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cbayer

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70. I agree that it can be a very important personal question when

Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:16 AM

Aug 2013

one is figuring out where they land on the believer/non-believer spectrum, and don't mean to dismiss it as important.

But I also think the answers are highly individualized, imperfect and variable.

To post it as if there is a definitive answer is my objection. There is not.

There is nothing wrong about what you concluded and it was the right answer for you. But it's not the right answer for others.

That's my point.

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If you believe in the miracles described in the Bible, such as the parting of the Red Sea, then how [View all] raccoon Aug 2013 OP

Wow, skipped Tien1985 Aug 2013 #1

Yeah, I'll just sit this one out after I get some marsnmallows. rug Aug 2013 #2

I'll get the graham crackers and chocolate. cbayer Aug 2013 #3

You'll need BIG marshmallows for this one kentauros Aug 2013 #8

Another "concern" question. okasha Aug 2013 #4

You lost me at "described in the Bible" mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #5

A fair question - I recommend 'God on Trial' muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #6

I heard about that movie. trotsky Aug 2013 #7

The entire movie is on that YouTube clip muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #9

Note that only the nontheists are discussing Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #10

This "issue" is flamebait. rug Aug 2013 #11

Yes of course you would find it to be flamebait. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #13

Yes, of course you would find it to be an "issue". rug Aug 2013 #16

It is a serious issue el_bryanto Aug 2013 #68

*Yawn* Wind him up and off he goes. mr blur Aug 2013 #40

By all means, expand on that thought. rug Aug 2013 #44

You mean the one person who posted a link to a movie? That discussion? cbayer Aug 2013 #12

You think the issue of the holocaust and belief is trite? Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #14

The issue of the holocaust and religion? No, I don't think that is trite at all. cbayer Aug 2013 #15

why from your usual mocking snark. nt. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #19

Lol. Irony. cbayer Aug 2013 #23

Yes it is ironic that generally only nontheists (exception noted below) Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #26

And tell me, Warren Stupidity, how do you classify me? cbayer Aug 2013 #28

I classify you as a person here who consistently sides with theists Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #37

And do you never see me side with atheists? cbayer Aug 2013 #38

I guess only the nontheists okasha Aug 2013 #17

I guess you would be wrong. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #18

Sorry, okasha Aug 2013 #25

The only reason you would think the question is flamebait.. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2013 #39

Flamebait, as in "When did you stop beating your wife?" cbayer Aug 2013 #41

Why do you think no one can answer that question? AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #72

What would you imagine is the why? cbayer Aug 2013 #75

Oh good grief. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #78

I didn't call the asker arrogant. I said that it would be arrogant to think one knew the answer cbayer Aug 2013 #79

To some believers of some faiths it is most certainly not arrogant to believe in knowing the AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #80

You are making this increasingly personal and hostile. cbayer Aug 2013 #81

Before waving around the 'arrogance' flag, one should check their own premise. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #82

One of the more cogent "tells" that this is flamebait okasha Aug 2013 #42

So, how WOULD one craft that question in a non bait-y type way? AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #71

Your post reminded me of this recent XKCD comic. trotsky Aug 2013 #74

Miracles aren't happening anymore, or.....any less. n/t dimbear Aug 2013 #76

I answered to the best of my ability. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #21

yes you did. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #22

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Theodicy LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #50

Good question. Many Christians believe that since the biblical era is ended that miracles just don't hrmjustin Aug 2013 #20

see, this is why I respect you. Evoman Aug 2013 #85

Thank you for your kind words my friend! hrmjustin Aug 2013 #86

I thought I remember learning that at times the Red Sea becomes crossable. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #27

I have a theory. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #29

I'll take some of the flaming with you. I've asked a lot of Christians that I know "Don't you think Booster Aug 2013 #30

Maybe you get blank stares because it's such a weird question? cbayer Aug 2013 #31

Why is it weird? Everything else is updated from time to time. Booster Aug 2013 #32

First, not everything else is updated from time to time. cbayer Aug 2013 #33

I prefer to believe it makes them think "Yeah, why is that" but I respect your opinion cause it's Booster Aug 2013 #34

I find your honesty really engaging (seriously, not sarcastically) cbayer Aug 2013 #35

lol Exactly. And thank you for the compliment. Booster Aug 2013 #36

Obviously you've never put this question okasha Aug 2013 #43

That makes the question even more pertinent. God hasn't seen the need to ask someone Booster Aug 2013 #45

I'm not sure I understand your response. okasha Aug 2013 #46

God did not write the bible. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #51

Actuially edhopper Aug 2013 #47

I agree that it can be a very important personal question when cbayer Aug 2013 #70

There is a distinct theme to many of the responses in this thread. . . MrModerate Aug 2013 #48

Yeah, you are right. It's not flame bait, it's a question cbayer Aug 2013 #49

Thanks for proving my theory. It saves me a lot of typing. MrModerate Aug 2013 #62

Yes, you are right. There is nothing snotty or arrogant about writing cbayer Aug 2013 #63

Those shoes fit you quite well . . . MrModerate Aug 2013 #64

Oh, my. Looks like we are getting off to a bad start here. cbayer Aug 2013 #65

I welcome your open hand, and take it willingly. MrModerate Aug 2013 #66

I am pleased. cbayer Aug 2013 #67

Please read my response edhopper Aug 2013 #69

"Miracles are ceased" is part of Protestant theology. aquart Aug 2013 #52

The Bible is full of violence... ShawnRIN Aug 2013 #53

History is full of violence so it if one sees the bible as cbayer Aug 2013 #55

Why weren't the Christians exboyfil Aug 2013 #54

I just got atheist bashed today. bravenak Aug 2013 #56

Sorry to hear that, but glad that retaliation is not your response. cbayer Aug 2013 #57

Most Christians are reasonable and normal. bravenak Aug 2013 #58

Thats been my experience as well, but it does happen. cbayer Aug 2013 #59

I have noticed it more from fundamentalists and evangelicals. bravenak Aug 2013 #60

I think you are right about the badgerers. cbayer Aug 2013 #61

As long as there is a scapegoat, humanity will never own up to its own horrors. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #73

That is our sad reality. bravenak Aug 2013 #83

A false bill of sales , an airbrushed model . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #84

I Believe it was the devotion to physical fascination and $$$$$, Why do we revere orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #77