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cbayer

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173. I don't see any need for anyone in particular to decide when things are better.

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 05:31 PM

Dec 2011

But I definitely think there is room for improvement.

Even in a group with a volatile subject that has members with very strong feelings and opinions, a level of civility and respect can be achieved. I am not looking for utopia and don't anticipate that will happen.

You make an awful lot of assumptions about me, my sensibilities, what I have lost sight of and what I want people to talk about. One step towards improving communication here might be to listen more and assume less. I know that I have a lot of assumptions about you, but I have gained those from a skewed perspective. I am willing to step back from that and re-assess what is most likely wrong.

I like debate. I like heated debate. I like to engage with people whose experiences and perspectives are entirely different than my own. But I don't like personal attacks or bigotry, and if I express either of those, I fully expect to be called on it.

I completely agree with your last sentence and look forward to engaging with you in this group.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] struggle4progress Dec 2011 OP

I think we should try hard to find people who are pretty neutral on the subject EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #1

I tend to agree. Some of the bitter partisans might actually be capable of being fair hosts struggle4progress Dec 2011 #4

Agree Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #31

That why I won't volunteer. backscatter712 Dec 2011 #44

We should have a conclave. rug Dec 2011 #2

Heh. Perfect. nt rrneck Dec 2011 #3

There ya go, but who are the Cardinals? MineralMan Dec 2011 #146

We can get them from here. rug Dec 2011 #147

OK. That'll work. If you like, MineralMan Dec 2011 #148

Are their people neutral edhopper Dec 2011 #5

IMO the issue isn't neutrality but an ability to be civil and fair struggle4progress Dec 2011 #6

Perhaps we should ask that at least one host comes from each "camp" EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #7

No way Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #8

I am interested in being a host of this group. cbayer Dec 2011 #9

I would object. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #10

No offense taken, and I certainly understand your concern. cbayer Dec 2011 #11

Even if that's true will the militantradicalfundamentalistuppityorganizedatheist faction believe it? beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #13

I am optimistic that the resentment can be addressed and reduced in this new environment. cbayer Dec 2011 #15

I admire your intentions and welcome your participation. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #16

I would object. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #33

Fair in what way? I recused myself from moderating this forum for the most part, cbayer Dec 2011 #36

So you don't even know why I might say that? darkstar3 Dec 2011 #37

I feel fairly certain that it has something to do with your interactions with my father. cbayer Dec 2011 #39

It has nothing to do with your father, though he certainly didn't help. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #40

Well, I am certain that there is a long line of people who have many pre-conceived ideas about who cbayer Dec 2011 #43

I'll support you as a host EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #45

Honestly, I am willing to work with anyone who wants to make this group cbayer Dec 2011 #46

I believe we moded together Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #64

We may have had a brief overlap when I first started, but I am not sure. cbayer Dec 2011 #73

A better place for whom? A better place than what? cleanhippie Dec 2011 #159

A better place for all who wish to participate. A better place than the war zone that it has been. cbayer Dec 2011 #164

And who gets to decide when "that" place has been created? cleanhippie Dec 2011 #172

I don't see any need for anyone in particular to decide when things are better. cbayer Dec 2011 #173

Fair enough. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #177

Thank you, cleanhippie. Your response means a great deal to me. cbayer Dec 2011 #178

I'd support you as host too. I think you'd be fair struggle4progress Dec 2011 #59

I feel very strongly that you would also be fair and would wholeheartedly support you as a host. cbayer Dec 2011 #60

I have carefully avoided volunteering as a group host here struggle4progress Dec 2011 #74

Excellent choices for you. I am sorry that we did not have more opportunity to work together. cbayer Dec 2011 #75

Oops. Looks like I responded to my own post and not yours. Sorry about that. cbayer Dec 2011 #76

I think you responded to the right post EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #77

I believe you are correct. It was confusing for a moment. cbayer Dec 2011 #78

I think cbayer would make an excellent host. Chemisse Dec 2011 #182

I'd put my name in the hat. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #12

when were you a mod? struggle4progress Dec 2011 #14

Two summers ago. n/t Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #62

No but the Lounge got pretty fucked up during that term. rug Dec 2011 #20

That was SO not my fault. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #63

There was a distinct lack of judgment. rug Dec 2011 #68

Well, I don't think this is the place to hash this out Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #70

No it isn't but this group will need both sensitivity and sound judgment. rug Dec 2011 #72

And I believe that was exercised in the Lounge Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #80

I remember that time in the lounge EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #82

And it is that opinion which reflects poor judgment. rug Dec 2011 #84

I ask because I want to know what your objection is. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #86

Has it been determined this place needs representatives from "camps"? rug Dec 2011 #90

If we are to have hosts, Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #94

What? We can't blame you for the consensus action of several dozen mods? struggle4progress Dec 2011 #79

Sounds like Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #81

Considering that entire model has been scrapped, I'd say the system itself. rug Dec 2011 #85

You'd have my vote. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #34

You also drafted an R/T truce-time pledge and convinced many to sign it. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #69

I'd support that NMMNG Dec 2011 #83

I'm interested cleanhippie Dec 2011 #17

Frankly, I thinky you'd have a problem with this part of the TOS: rug Dec 2011 #21

If I am guilty of violating that part, then so are you, as well as everyone else that posts here. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #23

We could go the way that Environment & Energy seems to be - no host muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #18

EDIT - changed my mind...I was reminded of a recent flurry of incredibly off-topic posts. iris27 Dec 2011 #52

I agree - no host. nt bananas Dec 2011 #123

Who would you like to see as host?? Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #19

There are three ways to go here dmallind Dec 2011 #22

I think the success of this group will depend more on random juries than on hosts. rug Dec 2011 #26

Quite probably so. Wonder if alerts will increase or drop? nt dmallind Dec 2011 #27

Kinda hard to find someone neutral. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #24

I don't come here often enough to really be a host I think.. Fumesucker Dec 2011 #25

It's worked well in Cyprus. rug Dec 2011 #28

Well the 63-74 stint was a bit testy. nt dmallind Dec 2011 #29

Does this mean I can declare part of the Religion group as British sovereign territory? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #30

Wait wait wait! Would we then pay taxes to support the CoE? struggle4progress Dec 2011 #61

Extremists are in? deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #150

I don't know that I spend enough time here to host, darkstar3 Dec 2011 #32

I would object. rug Dec 2011 #41

Thank you. I consider your objection high praise. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #42

I think we should have no host lazarus Dec 2011 #35

I'll give it a go. laconicsax Dec 2011 #38

I propose cbayer and goblinmonger EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #47

I agree with the concept of four hosts, darkstar3 Dec 2011 #48

Ideally we'd have new blood that isn't in either camp EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #50

Well, then you need an agnostic to be the tiebreaker. rug Dec 2011 #49

Uh oh, that's a slippery slope EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #51

an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist? dmallind Dec 2011 #107

I don't know. rug Dec 2011 #118

I think there are better choices than cbayer laconicsax Dec 2011 #53

I'm cool with that. I am only invested in trying to make this group a better place and cbayer Dec 2011 #55

I think that's unfair to cbayer who I saw as a very fair mod during my mod term struggle4progress Dec 2011 #56

I don't think cbayer has the capacity to be objective in this group. laconicsax Dec 2011 #128

I hear there's an opening for an agnostic? westerebus Dec 2011 #54

Speaking as an atheist and a former Marine beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #57

Speaking as an atheist and a Marine Vetern westerebus Dec 2011 #65

Thank you, Devil Dog. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #66

No problem. westerebus Dec 2011 #67

I was wrong, my apologies. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #71

We're good. westerebus Dec 2011 #87

It's funny how much you block out over the years. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #97

I nominate muriel_volestrangler beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #58

Second. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #88

I find this thread amusing. A bunch lacking religion wanting charge over a religion group. Festivito Dec 2011 #89

You act as though those without religion have no place here. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #91

No, just those who decry not being given charge means they have no place - in a jump too many times. Festivito Dec 2011 #99

Back-pedal if you want, but your play on words was clear. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #101

I guess we disagree there. /nt Festivito Dec 2011 #111

Again, there is NO other place on DU where people of all viewpoints can discuss religion and iris27 Dec 2011 #114

Equal? You live in a dreamworld. We'll all be lucky to get good representation. Festivito Dec 2011 #125

Equal in number. iris27 Dec 2011 #130

Chances are a host will act alone while others are away or in bed. So, there could be one person. Festivito Dec 2011 #142

But by having many hosts, decisions will have to be made by consensus, and rogue actions against iris27 Dec 2011 #144

I agree. The jury system is key. rug Dec 2011 #92

As I understand it, the jury system will be in place with or without a host. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #93

Yes, it will. As to the no place meme, no. As to calling people out, no. /nt Festivito Dec 2011 #112

So you'd rather Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #117

Consider it par. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #119

Do you think there are no sock puppets on DU? Festivito Dec 2011 #124

I'm sure people have two accounts. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #126

You just did throw that claim out. Festivito Dec 2011 #133

GM is one of many people who caught your implication. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #134

So it is going to be passive-aggressive doublespeak with you. Got it. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #137

Perhaps you're just bad and unveiling. Festivito Dec 2011 #140

Feel free to use it. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #141

Right back at you. /nt Festivito Dec 2011 #143

You're making some pretty big assumptions there EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #95

Calling sock puppets, sock puppets is not broadbrushing anything but sock puppets as sock puppets. Festivito Dec 2011 #108

But accusing others of sock-puppetry has been against the rules for years. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #109

Whom did I accuse? No one. /nt Festivito Dec 2011 #113

Stating that someone posting here right now Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #110

Accusing someone of accusing someone is not cool either. /nt Festivito Dec 2011 #115

So "possible sock puppet" is what? Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #116

Why would the specific name of a sock puppet matter? Festivito Dec 2011 #127

I find it amusing you still haven't figured out that this isn't a "religion group". beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #96

DU Home � Latest Threads � Forums & Groups � Topics � Religion & Spirituality � Religion (Group) Festivito Dec 2011 #100

SOP darkstar3 Dec 2011 #102

If you're going to participate you really should take the time to read the statement of purpose. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #104

All of which is fine and is in line with what I said. /nt Festivito Dec 2011 #139

This isn't "a religion group". It's the only place on DU where people of all beliefs are allowed to iris27 Dec 2011 #98

So, this DU: � Religion (Group) � is not "a religion group" in response to someone being amused Festivito Dec 2011 #103

No, it's not. iris27 Dec 2011 #105

Yes, it is (a religion group). So there. (We're up to 3rd grade playground level.) Festivito Dec 2011 #120

GD has 20 hosts. I see no reason why Religion should have only one, and almost no one iris27 Dec 2011 #131

"people making obtuse comments that seem so inane that further discussion seems worthless" : beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #106

Good! /nt Festivito Dec 2011 #122

I find you post amusing. Publicly displaying that you have no idea what you are saying.... cleanhippie Dec 2011 #160

I don't think this forum should have a host. nt bananas Dec 2011 #121

I'm inclined to agree. n/t laconicsax Dec 2011 #129

I was, until I was reminded by someone's appearance of their tendency to spam this board iris27 Dec 2011 #132

You make a very good point. n/t laconicsax Dec 2011 #136

I nominate AsahinaKimi laconicsax Dec 2011 #135

I have no problems with that nomination. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #138

I second that EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #151

I doubt we can pick a host from among the contenders in a contentious group. Jim__ Dec 2011 #145

I have no axe to grind Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #186

It's a tough job for anyone. MineralMan Dec 2011 #149

Maybe I should be the host. Renew Deal Dec 2011 #152

I'd support that. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #153

I'd support that; I'd be willing to be another host muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #154

I'd support that. Now we need two believers Renew Deal Dec 2011 #158

I'm good with those two to represent me. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #163

Thanks. Renew Deal Dec 2011 #165

Be sure you understand the community standards here! struggle4progress Dec 2011 #157

Job one for host: Lock that damn pie wagon! nt rrneck Dec 2011 #161

I wouldn't come here without the pies deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #179

I would definitely support you as host. cbayer Dec 2011 #162

Thanks Renew Deal Dec 2011 #166

I have previously volunteered to do so. cbayer Dec 2011 #167

. Renew Deal Dec 2011 #168

I thought you were looking to add a theist to the mix. cbayer Dec 2011 #169

Oops Renew Deal Dec 2011 #171

Yes, the cross is..... well, confusing. cbayer Dec 2011 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Dec 2011 #170

I can support that struggle4progress Dec 2011 #175

OK, here is the proposal. Renew Deal Dec 2011 #176

Not bad -- I'd modify the proposal slightly struggle4progress Dec 2011 #180

Great job. I am in support of this proposal. cbayer Dec 2011 #181

OK, this makes sense, as does s4p's suggestion on how to deal with absent hosts muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #183

Seems good. ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #184

I disagree and support a "no hosts" group. rug Dec 2011 #187

this may be the only time I ever say this, so everyone listen up lazarus Dec 2011 #188

So what happens when off topic and otherwise unacceptable OPs are posted? darkstar3 Dec 2011 #189

true lazarus Dec 2011 #190

The juries are already routinely deciding those alerts. rug Dec 2011 #191

I don't think the juries are deciding those. struggle4progress Dec 2011 #192

Results of latest jury. rug Dec 2011 #195

which thread is that? and was it alerted as a Statement of Purpose violation for a group w/o host? struggle4progress Dec 2011 #196

It's in GD. I'll pm you the link. I don't know if the poster has been revoked yet. rug Dec 2011 #197

So that is not an off-topic OP muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #198

Alerts are sent on SOP posts and are acted on by juries. rug Dec 2011 #199

That is not my understanding muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #201

The link you pm'd me concerned a post that was not an OP. The hiding message corresponds struggle4progress Dec 2011 #202

Let's do it. laconicsax Dec 2011 #193

That sounds like a good plan EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #194

Thundercats are go! Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #200

"Thundercats HO!" & "ThunderBIRDS Are Go!" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #203

My apologies Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #204

How many hosts do we get? ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #155

I think the first host is the "capo de tutti capi." - n/t Jim__ Dec 2011 #156

I do not know what the fuss is all about Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #185

I've asked Renew Deal to repost his religion-hosts proposal as an OP for an up-or-down vote struggle4progress Dec 2011 #205