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176. OK, here is the proposal.

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 05:57 PM

Dec 2011

I will be the lead host. Like I said, I will be hands off except to deal with off topic issues and problems between the hosts which I do not anticipate.

The other hosts are:

muriel_volestrangler
ZombieHorde
cbayer
struggle4progress

We need to come to an agreement on how to deal with this place, but it has to be a principle of openness. Dismissing a host would require a unanimous vote. Locking an on-topic thread would also require a unanimous vote of the four other hosts or three of them and myself. If you think that we're not going to get anything accomplished, that's the point. It's to keep this place open as much as possible.

This does not safeguard this group from the juries, but at least it sets some ground rules for OP's.

If there is support for this, we'll put it up for a yes, no vote.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] struggle4progress Dec 2011 OP

I think we should try hard to find people who are pretty neutral on the subject EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #1

I tend to agree. Some of the bitter partisans might actually be capable of being fair hosts struggle4progress Dec 2011 #4

Agree Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #31

That why I won't volunteer. backscatter712 Dec 2011 #44

We should have a conclave. rug Dec 2011 #2

Heh. Perfect. nt rrneck Dec 2011 #3

There ya go, but who are the Cardinals? MineralMan Dec 2011 #146

We can get them from here. rug Dec 2011 #147

OK. That'll work. If you like, MineralMan Dec 2011 #148

Are their people neutral edhopper Dec 2011 #5

IMO the issue isn't neutrality but an ability to be civil and fair struggle4progress Dec 2011 #6

Perhaps we should ask that at least one host comes from each "camp" EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #7

No way Dorian Gray Dec 2011 #8

I am interested in being a host of this group. cbayer Dec 2011 #9

I would object. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #10

No offense taken, and I certainly understand your concern. cbayer Dec 2011 #11

Even if that's true will the militantradicalfundamentalistuppityorganizedatheist faction believe it? beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #13

I am optimistic that the resentment can be addressed and reduced in this new environment. cbayer Dec 2011 #15

I admire your intentions and welcome your participation. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #16

I would object. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #33

Fair in what way? I recused myself from moderating this forum for the most part, cbayer Dec 2011 #36

So you don't even know why I might say that? darkstar3 Dec 2011 #37

I feel fairly certain that it has something to do with your interactions with my father. cbayer Dec 2011 #39

It has nothing to do with your father, though he certainly didn't help. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #40

Well, I am certain that there is a long line of people who have many pre-conceived ideas about who cbayer Dec 2011 #43

I'll support you as a host EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #45

Honestly, I am willing to work with anyone who wants to make this group cbayer Dec 2011 #46

I believe we moded together Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #64

We may have had a brief overlap when I first started, but I am not sure. cbayer Dec 2011 #73

A better place for whom? A better place than what? cleanhippie Dec 2011 #159

A better place for all who wish to participate. A better place than the war zone that it has been. cbayer Dec 2011 #164

And who gets to decide when "that" place has been created? cleanhippie Dec 2011 #172

I don't see any need for anyone in particular to decide when things are better. cbayer Dec 2011 #173

Fair enough. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #177

Thank you, cleanhippie. Your response means a great deal to me. cbayer Dec 2011 #178

I'd support you as host too. I think you'd be fair struggle4progress Dec 2011 #59

I feel very strongly that you would also be fair and would wholeheartedly support you as a host. cbayer Dec 2011 #60

I have carefully avoided volunteering as a group host here struggle4progress Dec 2011 #74

Excellent choices for you. I am sorry that we did not have more opportunity to work together. cbayer Dec 2011 #75

Oops. Looks like I responded to my own post and not yours. Sorry about that. cbayer Dec 2011 #76

I think you responded to the right post EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #77

I believe you are correct. It was confusing for a moment. cbayer Dec 2011 #78

I think cbayer would make an excellent host. Chemisse Dec 2011 #182

I'd put my name in the hat. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #12

when were you a mod? struggle4progress Dec 2011 #14

Two summers ago. n/t Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #62

No but the Lounge got pretty fucked up during that term. rug Dec 2011 #20

That was SO not my fault. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #63

There was a distinct lack of judgment. rug Dec 2011 #68

Well, I don't think this is the place to hash this out Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #70

No it isn't but this group will need both sensitivity and sound judgment. rug Dec 2011 #72

And I believe that was exercised in the Lounge Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #80

I remember that time in the lounge EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #82

And it is that opinion which reflects poor judgment. rug Dec 2011 #84

I ask because I want to know what your objection is. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #86

Has it been determined this place needs representatives from "camps"? rug Dec 2011 #90

If we are to have hosts, Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #94

What? We can't blame you for the consensus action of several dozen mods? struggle4progress Dec 2011 #79

Sounds like Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #81

Considering that entire model has been scrapped, I'd say the system itself. rug Dec 2011 #85

You'd have my vote. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #34

You also drafted an R/T truce-time pledge and convinced many to sign it. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #69

I'd support that NMMNG Dec 2011 #83

I'm interested cleanhippie Dec 2011 #17

Frankly, I thinky you'd have a problem with this part of the TOS: rug Dec 2011 #21

If I am guilty of violating that part, then so are you, as well as everyone else that posts here. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #23

We could go the way that Environment & Energy seems to be - no host muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #18

EDIT - changed my mind...I was reminded of a recent flurry of incredibly off-topic posts. iris27 Dec 2011 #52

I agree - no host. nt bananas Dec 2011 #123

Who would you like to see as host?? Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #19

There are three ways to go here dmallind Dec 2011 #22

I think the success of this group will depend more on random juries than on hosts. rug Dec 2011 #26

Quite probably so. Wonder if alerts will increase or drop? nt dmallind Dec 2011 #27

Kinda hard to find someone neutral. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #24

I don't come here often enough to really be a host I think.. Fumesucker Dec 2011 #25

It's worked well in Cyprus. rug Dec 2011 #28

Well the 63-74 stint was a bit testy. nt dmallind Dec 2011 #29

Does this mean I can declare part of the Religion group as British sovereign territory? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #30

Wait wait wait! Would we then pay taxes to support the CoE? struggle4progress Dec 2011 #61

Extremists are in? deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #150

I don't know that I spend enough time here to host, darkstar3 Dec 2011 #32

I would object. rug Dec 2011 #41

Thank you. I consider your objection high praise. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #42

I think we should have no host lazarus Dec 2011 #35

I'll give it a go. laconicsax Dec 2011 #38

I propose cbayer and goblinmonger EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #47

I agree with the concept of four hosts, darkstar3 Dec 2011 #48

Ideally we'd have new blood that isn't in either camp EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #50

Well, then you need an agnostic to be the tiebreaker. rug Dec 2011 #49

Uh oh, that's a slippery slope EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #51

an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist? dmallind Dec 2011 #107

I don't know. rug Dec 2011 #118

I think there are better choices than cbayer laconicsax Dec 2011 #53

I'm cool with that. I am only invested in trying to make this group a better place and cbayer Dec 2011 #55

I think that's unfair to cbayer who I saw as a very fair mod during my mod term struggle4progress Dec 2011 #56

I don't think cbayer has the capacity to be objective in this group. laconicsax Dec 2011 #128

I hear there's an opening for an agnostic? westerebus Dec 2011 #54

Speaking as an atheist and a former Marine beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #57

Speaking as an atheist and a Marine Vetern westerebus Dec 2011 #65

Thank you, Devil Dog. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #66

No problem. westerebus Dec 2011 #67

I was wrong, my apologies. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #71

We're good. westerebus Dec 2011 #87

It's funny how much you block out over the years. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #97

I nominate muriel_volestrangler beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #58

Second. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #88

I find this thread amusing. A bunch lacking religion wanting charge over a religion group. Festivito Dec 2011 #89

You act as though those without religion have no place here. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #91

No, just those who decry not being given charge means they have no place - in a jump too many times. Festivito Dec 2011 #99

Back-pedal if you want, but your play on words was clear. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #101

I guess we disagree there. /nt Festivito Dec 2011 #111

Again, there is NO other place on DU where people of all viewpoints can discuss religion and iris27 Dec 2011 #114

Equal? You live in a dreamworld. We'll all be lucky to get good representation. Festivito Dec 2011 #125

Equal in number. iris27 Dec 2011 #130

Chances are a host will act alone while others are away or in bed. So, there could be one person. Festivito Dec 2011 #142

But by having many hosts, decisions will have to be made by consensus, and rogue actions against iris27 Dec 2011 #144

I agree. The jury system is key. rug Dec 2011 #92

As I understand it, the jury system will be in place with or without a host. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #93

Yes, it will. As to the no place meme, no. As to calling people out, no. /nt Festivito Dec 2011 #112

So you'd rather Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #117

Consider it par. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #119

Do you think there are no sock puppets on DU? Festivito Dec 2011 #124

I'm sure people have two accounts. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #126

You just did throw that claim out. Festivito Dec 2011 #133

GM is one of many people who caught your implication. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #134

So it is going to be passive-aggressive doublespeak with you. Got it. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #137

Perhaps you're just bad and unveiling. Festivito Dec 2011 #140

Feel free to use it. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #141

Right back at you. /nt Festivito Dec 2011 #143

You're making some pretty big assumptions there EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #95

Calling sock puppets, sock puppets is not broadbrushing anything but sock puppets as sock puppets. Festivito Dec 2011 #108

But accusing others of sock-puppetry has been against the rules for years. darkstar3 Dec 2011 #109

Whom did I accuse? No one. /nt Festivito Dec 2011 #113

Stating that someone posting here right now Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #110

Accusing someone of accusing someone is not cool either. /nt Festivito Dec 2011 #115

So "possible sock puppet" is what? Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #116

Why would the specific name of a sock puppet matter? Festivito Dec 2011 #127

I find it amusing you still haven't figured out that this isn't a "religion group". beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #96

DU Home � Latest Threads � Forums & Groups � Topics � Religion & Spirituality � Religion (Group) Festivito Dec 2011 #100

SOP darkstar3 Dec 2011 #102

If you're going to participate you really should take the time to read the statement of purpose. beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #104

All of which is fine and is in line with what I said. /nt Festivito Dec 2011 #139

This isn't "a religion group". It's the only place on DU where people of all beliefs are allowed to iris27 Dec 2011 #98

So, this DU: � Religion (Group) � is not "a religion group" in response to someone being amused Festivito Dec 2011 #103

No, it's not. iris27 Dec 2011 #105

Yes, it is (a religion group). So there. (We're up to 3rd grade playground level.) Festivito Dec 2011 #120

GD has 20 hosts. I see no reason why Religion should have only one, and almost no one iris27 Dec 2011 #131

"people making obtuse comments that seem so inane that further discussion seems worthless" : beam me up scottie Dec 2011 #106

Good! /nt Festivito Dec 2011 #122

I find you post amusing. Publicly displaying that you have no idea what you are saying.... cleanhippie Dec 2011 #160

I don't think this forum should have a host. nt bananas Dec 2011 #121

I'm inclined to agree. n/t laconicsax Dec 2011 #129

I was, until I was reminded by someone's appearance of their tendency to spam this board iris27 Dec 2011 #132

You make a very good point. n/t laconicsax Dec 2011 #136

I nominate AsahinaKimi laconicsax Dec 2011 #135

I have no problems with that nomination. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #138

I second that EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #151

I doubt we can pick a host from among the contenders in a contentious group. Jim__ Dec 2011 #145

I have no axe to grind Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #186

It's a tough job for anyone. MineralMan Dec 2011 #149

Maybe I should be the host. Renew Deal Dec 2011 #152

I'd support that. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #153

I'd support that; I'd be willing to be another host muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #154

I'd support that. Now we need two believers Renew Deal Dec 2011 #158

I'm good with those two to represent me. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #163

Thanks. Renew Deal Dec 2011 #165

Be sure you understand the community standards here! struggle4progress Dec 2011 #157

Job one for host: Lock that damn pie wagon! nt rrneck Dec 2011 #161

I wouldn't come here without the pies deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #179

I would definitely support you as host. cbayer Dec 2011 #162

Thanks Renew Deal Dec 2011 #166

I have previously volunteered to do so. cbayer Dec 2011 #167

. Renew Deal Dec 2011 #168

I thought you were looking to add a theist to the mix. cbayer Dec 2011 #169

Oops Renew Deal Dec 2011 #171

Yes, the cross is..... well, confusing. cbayer Dec 2011 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Dec 2011 #170

I can support that struggle4progress Dec 2011 #175

OK, here is the proposal. Renew Deal Dec 2011 #176

Not bad -- I'd modify the proposal slightly struggle4progress Dec 2011 #180

Great job. I am in support of this proposal. cbayer Dec 2011 #181

OK, this makes sense, as does s4p's suggestion on how to deal with absent hosts muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #183

Seems good. ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #184

I disagree and support a "no hosts" group. rug Dec 2011 #187

this may be the only time I ever say this, so everyone listen up lazarus Dec 2011 #188

So what happens when off topic and otherwise unacceptable OPs are posted? darkstar3 Dec 2011 #189

true lazarus Dec 2011 #190

The juries are already routinely deciding those alerts. rug Dec 2011 #191

I don't think the juries are deciding those. struggle4progress Dec 2011 #192

Results of latest jury. rug Dec 2011 #195

which thread is that? and was it alerted as a Statement of Purpose violation for a group w/o host? struggle4progress Dec 2011 #196

It's in GD. I'll pm you the link. I don't know if the poster has been revoked yet. rug Dec 2011 #197

So that is not an off-topic OP muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #198

Alerts are sent on SOP posts and are acted on by juries. rug Dec 2011 #199

That is not my understanding muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #201

The link you pm'd me concerned a post that was not an OP. The hiding message corresponds struggle4progress Dec 2011 #202

Let's do it. laconicsax Dec 2011 #193

That sounds like a good plan EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #194

Thundercats are go! Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #200

"Thundercats HO!" & "ThunderBIRDS Are Go!" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #203

My apologies Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #204

How many hosts do we get? ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #155

I think the first host is the "capo de tutti capi." - n/t Jim__ Dec 2011 #156

I do not know what the fuss is all about Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #185

I've asked Renew Deal to repost his religion-hosts proposal as an OP for an up-or-down vote struggle4progress Dec 2011 #205