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MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
27. In the US....
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:11 AM
Aug 2013

Where religious privilege is so great, those with other privileges will be more likely to give up one privilege in exchange for intellectual honesty by being out about their atheism, or even having the time to think about philosophy.

Meanwhile, much of religion continues to prey successfully on the poor and ignorant, as it always has, and is used as a wonderful tool to get the poor and ignorant to vote against their interests, especially in the US. It's no wonder that churches are expanding rapidly in places with terrible governments and desparate poverty while fading in wealthy socialized countries. And it's no wonder the progressive movement has substantially more atheists than the conservative movement.

Basically, the fact that the privileged in the US are much more likely to be willing to part with religion belies the privilege religion still has, and the power it holds over the poor. When people rely so heavily on private religious charities, not to mention their religious communities, because the US has a terrible social safety net, then that's what you get.

In other countries, being an atheist is less tied to privilege, if at all, because religion has substantially less power and societal privilege itself. You won't find many of those who are already disadvantaged in the US rushing to join the most distrusted group in the US, where there are still laws against atheists holding office and where few politicians consider it safe to be open about their atheism, especially when it's easy to keep in the closet about it, go with the motions, and get what benefits you can from a society that is still under the thumb of religion in many ways.

I guess I'd have to follow Laochtine Aug 2013 #1
Don't worry. Somebody will tell you what to call yourself. rug Aug 2013 #2
At least the church can move its preditors and money around Laochtine Sep 2013 #66
That's a proud statment Laochtine Sep 2013 #67
Talking to yourself, are you? okasha Sep 2013 #69
working out thoughts, you? Laochtine Sep 2013 #71
New atheism hasn't much to say about capitalism because it is a completely different thing. dimbear Aug 2013 #3
That's also because it comes straight from the brow of the bourgeoisie. rug Aug 2013 #4
And a race privilege, which is related to it. okasha Aug 2013 #5
Which has nothing to do with this LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #6
Sorry, but okasha Aug 2013 #8
But they are not tied to atheism LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #10
But I'm not saying okasha Aug 2013 #13
Communist party members: about 60 million. Chinese atheists: about 636 million muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #15
Thank you for making the point okasha Aug 2013 #16
How does that 'reinforce' the 'privileged status'? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #18
No, it speaks to privilege. okasha Aug 2013 #33
You are introducing new topics muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #36
Forgive us out typos as we forgive those who typo against us. okasha Aug 2013 #39
So what? You can't say "thank you for making the point" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #43
Actually, your statistics do make the point. okasha Aug 2013 #58
No, it doesn't suggest that at all muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #60
Then I am not understanding the context of your or rug's post. LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #24
Oddly, atheists in Japan are overwhelmingly Asian. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #45
Oddly, Catholics in Japan are overwhelmingly Asian. okasha Aug 2013 #56
It is odd, isn't it? Almost as odd as atheists in america being overwhelmingly caucasian. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #57
Actually, it's not odd that atheists okasha Aug 2013 #59
I fit all that Laochtine Sep 2013 #72
Are you saying there are no proletariat atheists? LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #7
One thing to consider is the fairly well documented link between cbayer Aug 2013 #9
I get that and understand that LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #11
Not inherent, but predominant. cbayer Aug 2013 #14
The link between education and income is very strong muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #17
Thanks for the links, Muriel. Interesting data. cbayer Aug 2013 #19
I never hear 'bourgeois' used as anything other than criticism muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #20
I wish you two could get along. I like you both very much. cbayer Aug 2013 #21
I can accept that LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #25
Excellent point there - going from a believer to a non-believer would cbayer Aug 2013 #32
Except of course for east Asia and Europe, where atheism is widespread. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #46
While I think you are correct about Asia, I'm not so sure about cbayer Aug 2013 #47
I can find some for Britain muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #48
There is a recurring problem with the "no religion" category, as it can not cbayer Aug 2013 #49
Buddhists are separate, so we don't have to worry about them as atheists muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #50
I think we will begin to see much clearer data as people are specifically asked cbayer Aug 2013 #51
Pew reports on Americans who use the term 'atheist' muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #52
So the demographic differences in the UK are not that striking, cbayer Aug 2013 #53
I put it down largely to education, as in the stats in #17 muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #54
And the data I have seen also shows a strong correlation between levels cbayer Aug 2013 #55
Doubtless there are but its current articulators are far from proletarian. rug Aug 2013 #12
Madalyn Murray O'Hair jumps to mind LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #22
Madelyn's life defies category. rug Aug 2013 #23
But its not bourgeoisie either LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #26
No he doesn't, thank God. rug Aug 2013 #29
You're doing your best to divorce atheism from privilege, okasha Aug 2013 #34
What a load of tosh muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #37
Wrong. okasha Aug 2013 #38
'very few if any of those "poor and working class" people will be "humanist"' is wrong muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #41
According to The Atheist Scholar's okasha Aug 2013 #61
No, the 24.1% is included in the 60.4% muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #63
There is no difference LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #44
See statistics in post #61 above. okasha Aug 2013 #62
Then why are you insistent on a connection when you can't show anything other than suggestion? LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #64
Fuck it lets rob everyone Laochtine Sep 2013 #68
In the US.... MellowDem Aug 2013 #27
I think Lenin's take has a lot more clarity. rug Aug 2013 #28
Atheism is not an ideology.... MellowDem Aug 2013 #31
Sure it is. rug Aug 2013 #35
From every definition I've seen of ideology... MellowDem Aug 2013 #40
Unless that opinion is based on a whim, it is the result of thought and methodoology. rug Aug 2013 #42
Now you've got your cart in front of your horse. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #82
You have a lot of clueless people on this board skepticscott Sep 2013 #83
There are also clueless people who believe who believe distinctions can be made in a vacuum. rug Sep 2013 #88
Feel free to point to even one example skepticscott Sep 2013 #89
"Atheism answers a single question. Is there a god yes/no?" rug Sep 2013 #90
Who has ever claimed or tried to answer that question in a vacuum? skepticscott Sep 2013 #91
When you concede you are not answering an intellectual question in a vacuum, you concede an ideology rug Sep 2013 #92
More fail...more dodge skepticscott Sep 2013 #93
Well, I see by the use of smileys you have no answer other than lame personal insults. rug Sep 2013 #94
You missed the answer, ruggie skepticscott Sep 2013 #97
Does using "ruggie" contribute anything to discussion? rug Sep 2013 #98
Nothing could be richer than that accusation. skepticscott Sep 2013 #99
And there's the answer. rug Sep 2013 #100
Does skepticscott Sep 2013 #101
No it doesn't. Now, does your appellation contribute? rug Sep 2013 #102
Well, that's twice in one day skepticscott Sep 2013 #105
You haven't answered the question. rug Sep 2013 #106
As I said...you reap what you sow skepticscott Sep 2013 #108
Glancing at your transparency page, it looks like you're the one who's been doing the sowing. rug Sep 2013 #110
Take no responsibility for you actions rug. Stand tough! cleanhippie Sep 2013 #111
What are you going on about? rug Sep 2013 #112
See 86. rug Sep 2013 #87
No, it ignores the baggage you conveniently want to attribute to it. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #113
The baggage is what it got there and the baggage is where different people want to take it. rug Sep 2013 #114
So, now you've gone from Ideology to Phenomenon. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #115
An ideology not based on phenomena is fantasy. rug Sep 2013 #116
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #117
Existence and nonxistence are not fantasy. rug Sep 2013 #118
And neither condition requires or precludes a supernatural creator. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #119
Ahem . . . . ithat's what I've been saying all along. rug Sep 2013 #120
And? AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #121
No, I've just been following you so you don't get lost. rug Sep 2013 #122
My senses. History. Reason. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #123
You already determined that you can not find an answer by using something you can't detect. rug Sep 2013 #124
Complete tripe from stem to stern. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #125
Lol! rug Sep 2013 #126
Typical. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #127
No, it doesn't. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #81
There's a lot wrong with that statement. rug Sep 2013 #86
I disagree. You are trying to roll more into Atheism than it allows. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #109
99 years, bet Laochtine Sep 2013 #70
If all that were true, then our neighbor and friend to the north Canada would be much more atheist dimbear Aug 2013 #30
Well, as I've said before, explicit atheism tends to be associated with education... LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #65
Oh good edhopper Sep 2013 #73
93% of scientists are atheists and agnostics. cbayer Sep 2013 #74
I just read that in an article edhopper Sep 2013 #75
After checking edhopper Sep 2013 #76
I found the link about the NAS survey cbayer Sep 2013 #77
"the graces of their social position" sounds so . . . . Victorian. rug Sep 2013 #78
Pass the crumpets and Devonshire cream, okasha Sep 2013 #79
I'll summon someone for you, my dear. rug Sep 2013 #80
More condescension, edhopper Sep 2013 #84
That's your description. Were you acccurately quoted? rug Sep 2013 #85
If you are going to be snarky edhopper Sep 2013 #95
You're right. I withdraw the remark. rug Sep 2013 #96
Your a Christian and a Gentelman edhopper Sep 2013 #103
Maybe, but I suck at both. rug Sep 2013 #104
Depends on the rules. edhopper Sep 2013 #107
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