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In reply to the discussion: Scepticism, class, and the 'New Atheists' [View all]rug
(82,333 posts)28. I think Lenin's take has a lot more clarity.
In all capitalist Countries throughout the world, the bourgeoisie resorts to two methods in its struggle against the working-class movement and the workers parties. One method is that of violence, persecution, bans, and suppression. In its fundamentals, this is a feudal, medieval method. Everywhere there are sections and groups of the bourgeoisiesmaller in the advanced countries and larger in the backward oneswhich prefer these methods, and in certain, highly critical moments in the workers struggle against wage-slavery, the entire bourgeoisie is agreed on the employment of such methods. Historical examples of such moments are provided by Chartism in England, and 1849 and 1871 in France.
The other method the bourgeoisie employs against the movement is that of dividing the workers, disrupting their ranks, bribing individual representatives or certain groups of the proletariat with the object of winning them over to its side. These are not feudal but purely bourgeois and modern methods, in keeping with the developed and civilised customs of capitalism, with the democratic system.
For the democratic system is a feature of bourgeois society, the most pure and perfect bourgeois feature, in which the utmost freedom, scope and clarity of the, class struggle are combined with the utmost cunning, with ruses and subterfuges aimed at spreading the ideological influence of the bourgeoisie among the wage-slaves with the object of diverting them from their struggle against wage-slavery.
The other method the bourgeoisie employs against the movement is that of dividing the workers, disrupting their ranks, bribing individual representatives or certain groups of the proletariat with the object of winning them over to its side. These are not feudal but purely bourgeois and modern methods, in keeping with the developed and civilised customs of capitalism, with the democratic system.
For the democratic system is a feature of bourgeois society, the most pure and perfect bourgeois feature, in which the utmost freedom, scope and clarity of the, class struggle are combined with the utmost cunning, with ruses and subterfuges aimed at spreading the ideological influence of the bourgeoisie among the wage-slaves with the object of diverting them from their struggle against wage-slavery.
From The Bourgeois Intelligentsias Methods of Struggle Against the Workers, Prosveshcheniye, No. 6, June 1914.
Every ideology, including religion and atheism, is susceptible to this. Islamophobia and elitism are but symptoms of this. Whenever you see a movement based on division, watch out.
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New atheism hasn't much to say about capitalism because it is a completely different thing.
dimbear
Aug 2013
#3
Communist party members: about 60 million. Chinese atheists: about 636 million
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#15
It is odd, isn't it? Almost as odd as atheists in america being overwhelmingly caucasian.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2013
#57
Except of course for east Asia and Europe, where atheism is widespread.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2013
#46
Buddhists are separate, so we don't have to worry about them as atheists
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#50
'very few if any of those "poor and working class" people will be "humanist"' is wrong
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#41
Then why are you insistent on a connection when you can't show anything other than suggestion?
LostOne4Ever
Aug 2013
#64
Unless that opinion is based on a whim, it is the result of thought and methodoology.
rug
Aug 2013
#42
There are also clueless people who believe who believe distinctions can be made in a vacuum.
rug
Sep 2013
#88
When you concede you are not answering an intellectual question in a vacuum, you concede an ideology
rug
Sep 2013
#92
Well, I see by the use of smileys you have no answer other than lame personal insults.
rug
Sep 2013
#94
Glancing at your transparency page, it looks like you're the one who's been doing the sowing.
rug
Sep 2013
#110
The baggage is what it got there and the baggage is where different people want to take it.
rug
Sep 2013
#114
You already determined that you can not find an answer by using something you can't detect.
rug
Sep 2013
#124
If all that were true, then our neighbor and friend to the north Canada would be much more atheist
dimbear
Aug 2013
#30
Well, as I've said before, explicit atheism tends to be associated with education...
LeftishBrit
Aug 2013
#65