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cbayer

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55. I've never heard that, but perhaps he would have considered it

Tue Aug 27, 2013, 06:36 PM

Aug 2013

because it is so inclusive. There are christian members of UU.

I don't think MLK was a grandstander, and although he may have made many decisions for political reasons, I highly doubt that his religion was one of them.

He was born, raised, educated and ordained as a christian. It was an integral part of who he was, imo. It might make an interesting rhetorical argument to say that he would have done what he did if he had not been, but it's not more than rhetorical.

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Some Thoughts on Richard Dawkins' Terrible Tweet [View all] cbayer Aug 2013 OP

Oh, the false equivalency of race and religion strikes again. cleanhippie Aug 2013 #1

then Dawkins should have known better DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #28

Being an ass is a matter of opinion. He is factually right about what he says. cleanhippie Aug 2013 #38

about what DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #39

If I take your point correctly, LTX Aug 2013 #66

Dawkins comment is a lament, not a boast. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #2

Are you addressing that to me or the author of this piece? cbayer Aug 2013 #3

Both, because you called that statement bigoted in the other thread. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #4

What did you think about what this author says on the subject? cbayer Aug 2013 #6

I think the author is massively off-base and willfully misinterpreting what Dawkins' said. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #8

He agrees that the statement is factual. cbayer Aug 2013 #9

Just click on the progress bar on the video at 38 minutes. You don't have to watch the whole thing. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #11

I see what you are saying here, but NDT's analysis of this is so much more thoughtful cbayer Aug 2013 #12

Dawkins has elaborated in a couple essays on this matter. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #13

Yes, I saw that he crawfished after the fact. cbayer Aug 2013 #14

BTW, the t-shirt Dawkins is wearing in the link is really offensive. cbayer Aug 2013 #15

I don't see why it's offensive. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #16

If I am trying to make a point that what I said was not bigoted, cbayer Aug 2013 #17

Dawkins position has long been (and this is true of all memetics) that religion is a socially transm AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #21

The argument that one side does it so the other should do it as well is weak. cbayer Aug 2013 #24

Memes propagate just like diseases. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #26

Why doesn't it matter if I find it offensive? cbayer Aug 2013 #29

That is correct, they are all memes. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #32

Wow. Stephen Fry. Now there is an authority on, well, everything. cbayer Aug 2013 #33

I leave 'offense' up to the individual. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #36

Feel free and make sure you wear it around anyone you care about who is a believer. cbayer Aug 2013 #40

Fortunately, none of the people I love are. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #41

No one you love is a believer? cbayer Aug 2013 #42

Religion isn't a race or gender identity, it's an idea. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #44

I completely reject that notion. Do you choose to be an atheist or is cbayer Aug 2013 #46

I'm an atheist by default. I CHOOSE to be anti-theist becuse it impacts my life on a daily basis AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #47

But race and gender identity okasha Aug 2013 #59

Are you equally offended edhopper Aug 2013 #20

I don't like t-shirts in general that tell other people what they should think cbayer Aug 2013 #23

That shirt doesn't tell people 'what to believe'. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #48

I don't really have a problem. The t-shirt says that religion is a disease, cbayer Aug 2013 #49

I don't see how that shirt tells anyone 'what to think' any more than a 'jesus is lord' shirt which AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #50

The ketch is always there for me. cbayer Aug 2013 #51

Must be my browser. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #52

Good grief, Tom Sawyer. okasha Aug 2013 #19

It's not that he "refuses to see the good that religion has done", but rather that he doesn't agree eomer Aug 2013 #22

No. I don't think being religious makes you more likely to do good things, but cbayer Aug 2013 #25

He does see both sides of it. But he makes some further points. eomer Aug 2013 #43

You've got to admit that's some pretty faint praise, particularly cbayer Aug 2013 #45

I've heard... eomer Aug 2013 #54

I've never heard that, but perhaps he would have considered it cbayer Aug 2013 #55

No, it's certainly not rhetorical. eomer Aug 2013 #56

Coretta Scott King disagreed with you about how she and MLK chose their religion. eomer Aug 2013 #57

Fascinating. I had not heard this story before and thank you for sharing it. cbayer Aug 2013 #58

It does say a bit about the depth and breadth of his religious beliefs. eomer Aug 2013 #62

So your argument is that okasha Aug 2013 #64

Probably didn't explain myself very well, need to put a finer point on it. eomer Aug 2013 #67

I think we are on the same page. I think people can be inherently good. cbayer Aug 2013 #65

interesting analyisis, AC Skittles Aug 2013 #53

It was still stupid DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #35

Look at the stats for the last 50 years then. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #61

Excellent article - thanks for posting it! Jim__ Aug 2013 #5

You are welcome. I really like this writer and thought his take on this cbayer Aug 2013 #7

civilizations and religions come and go. madrchsod Aug 2013 #10

Or all the world's women. okasha Aug 2013 #18

So who would have guessed that Dawkins is a bigot Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #27

WTF is a biggot? AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #30

It's a typo. Lighten up. cbayer Aug 2013 #34

Fixed. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #37

Oh, I think he is aware. It's just the yardstick that he prefers to use because it is most cbayer Aug 2013 #31

Actually Islamic culture comes up short compared to china Japan and India too. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #60

Keep it up, cbayer. trotsky Aug 2013 #63