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eomer

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46. His problem is with faith, which is foundational to and indivisible from Islam, I would think.

Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:51 PM

Aug 2013

I'm not sure whether that constitutes condemning the entire religion or not but I don't see how reframing it that way is helpful in understanding what he said. I would just leave it that what he meant was what he said. But maybe you have a reason for going there?

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Anti-Muslim bigotry is pervasive. [View all] rug Aug 2013 OP

Dawkins is a self-proclaimed anti-theist. And he seems to be an equal opportunity cbayer Aug 2013 #1

He genuinely does not see his anti-Muslim bigotry. rug Aug 2013 #3

Dawkins was correct on the cited issue. longship Aug 2013 #5

Being factually correct about something doesn't make it ok to use it cbayer Aug 2013 #8

What utter crap edhopper Aug 2013 #25

Thank you get the red out Aug 2013 #26

Where did I say that we should not point out the laws that discriminate against women? cbayer Aug 2013 #27

Complex issue. longship Aug 2013 #2

The problem with you arguments, imo, are the over generalizations. cbayer Aug 2013 #4

I can only judge them by their actions, my friend. longship Aug 2013 #10

I think the problem is attributing the behavior to the religion itself. rug Aug 2013 #6

Well, they claimed it was because of their religious beliefs. longship Aug 2013 #11

And this country has invaded how many countries in the name of democracy? rug Aug 2013 #12

Huh? longship Aug 2013 #13

Perhaps I'm simply more skeptical. rug Aug 2013 #14

No problem. longship Aug 2013 #16

Okay. Let me try again here. longship Aug 2013 #15

So the gender segregation did not occur. Good for Krauss for standing firm. rug Aug 2013 #17

Is that supposed to be a characterization of the tweet that Dawkins made? eomer Aug 2013 #31

It's a recitation of that tweet, his comment about Nobel prizes and about a dozen others. rug Aug 2013 #32

I believe you're mistaken about what you said. eomer Aug 2013 #34

Oh, do you think he has not said the rest? rug Aug 2013 #35

The discussion begins at parsing internet posts, actually. eomer Aug 2013 #40

Indeed there are factions. rug Aug 2013 #41

You're extrapolating too much from that short clip. He does recognize factions. eomer Aug 2013 #42

Well, no. He's distinguishing believers from the religion, not factions within the religion. rug Aug 2013 #43

Yes, factions. eomer Aug 2013 #44

The issue is: Does he condemn the entire religion as inherently evil? rug Aug 2013 #45

His problem is with faith, which is foundational to and indivisible from Islam, I would think. eomer Aug 2013 #46

It does constitute an untenable broad brush. rug Aug 2013 #47

Sorry, how is it broad brush? n/t eomer Aug 2013 #48

"All Islam is evil." rug Aug 2013 #49

More nimbleness on your part in understanding what he's saying is IMO what's missing. eomer Aug 2013 #50

He is not criticizing "specific aspects of Islam"; he's criticizing it in toto. rug Aug 2013 #51

I don't believe he criticizes the giving of wealth to the poor and needy. eomer Aug 2013 #52

He approves alms. rug Aug 2013 #53

No, you have it right. It's just that some NEED to hate him, so they misconstrue facts. cleanhippie Aug 2013 #33

Just to be clear, this whole dust up is not just about his response to that one incident. cbayer Aug 2013 #18

Dawkins is always saying provocative things like that. longship Aug 2013 #19

I think they both provide a valuable service in kicking down some doors cbayer Aug 2013 #20

Nobel winners are white because the US wins an awful lot of them. longship Aug 2013 #21

Just because a religious person does something insane, that does cbayer Aug 2013 #22

I know what you are saying here. longship Aug 2013 #23

It seems that we're about to add another, okasha Aug 2013 #28

It's infuriating. rug Aug 2013 #29

Sectarian violence in Iraq killed 969 people in July, a record month. dimbear Aug 2013 #7

Iraqis are overwhelmingly Muslim. Perhaps you meant anti-Sunni sentiments. rug Aug 2013 #9

There are Muslims, many in fact, who can see that Islam is problematic. dimbear Aug 2013 #24

So, Muslims should renounce Islam since it's problematic. rug Aug 2013 #30

Renounce, reform, review, rework............ there are lots of solutions. dimbear Aug 2013 #36

In that case, you must not consider it inherently evil and harmful. rug Aug 2013 #37

Inherently harmful things harm everything they inhabit, that's the definition. dimbear Aug 2013 #38

You're such an accommodationist. rug Aug 2013 #39

I don't know about his, but it's certainly mine. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #55

This sentence of yours has a certain hortatory quality. rug Aug 2013 #56

I'm saying that they hold immoral beliefs on certain issues. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #58

And what should happen to them if they do not do as they should? rug Aug 2013 #59

Depends on the scale. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #60

I think he makes some good points, and has clearly thought this through, but makes several mistakes Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #54

Solid points, all. rug Aug 2013 #57