To my fellow atheist, do you think believers just wrong?

[LostOne4Ever]

44. What do I think as an atheist?

Of course I think they are wrong, in the exact same way they think I am wrong.

That said, I have not seen the conversation you are talking about but If I might venture a guess I think that the reason you were "taken to task" was for asserting they were wrong as if it were a commonly known and accepted fact.


[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]It is my position that since I do not accept the existence of God due to the lack of any evidence and that the scientific knowledge we do have all points to there being no God, they are wrong in their belief.

What evidence do you have there is NO god? That is quite the statement. My understanding of science can disprove some gods, but I have never come across evidence that absolutely proves that there are NO gods at all.

The god of Thomas Paine, in particular, is hard to prove or disprove. If anything, I see evidence for pantheism in that all matter is just another form of energy. If energy is the true form of god then I could not argue against that.

Of course, I neither define god in such a manner; and, I see very little difference in saying that god is all and that there is no god.


[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]If I am correct, believers are wrong. Unless we want to postulate some Heisenbergian Universe where the existence of God depends on the viewer.

I agree. As you said, if you are right then they are wrong. That is simply a statement of fact. And as you acknowledged the reverse also holds true.


[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]I am interested in how my view compares to others.

Okay, my view is this. I do not think the claim that there is a god (theism) or the claim that there are no gods (explicit atheism) have been proven. I see no evidence for either view, and I don't think I can in any way assert that they are wrong in any objective manner because I simply don't know.

That said, I don't believe there is a god. I look at this world where we all die painfully, pointlessly, and in vain; where children are massacred and pedophiles are exalted and I can not accept that even an indifferent god would allow such misery and pain to exist. I feel nearly 100% certain of this. So subjectively I think they are wrong...but I also acknowledge I could very well be wrong myself.


[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]Rationally concluding something does not exist because of the complete and utter lack of evidence is not belief.

I disagree with you here. Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a conjecture or premise to be true. Conversely, Knowledge is defined as justified true belief.

By definition, your position is indeed a belief. It very well could turn out to be a true belief. But it is still a belief. Whether or not your belief is justified, i think, is debatable. Without evidence proving that no gods exist I don't think you have justified your belief.