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eomer

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61. I disagree with the Pope's statement that as an atheist I am inferior.

Fri Sep 13, 2013, 05:27 AM

Sep 2013

I disagree with the Pope's statement that because I'm a person of no faith it is inconceivable for me to truly keep united with men and women.

I disagree with the Pope's statement that because I'm a person of no faith my ability to endure, to be trustworthy, is inferior to that of others.

I disagree with the Pope's statement that because I'm a person of no faith I am incapable of human unity on the basis of the goodness of living together or on the joy which the mere presence of others can give.

All those ways in which the Pope says I am inferior are not true. I am capable of all those things.

The light of faith is capable of enhancing the richness of human relations, their ability to endure, to be trustworthy, to enrich our life together. Faith does not draw us away from the world or prove irrelevant to the concrete concerns of the men and women of our time. Without a love which is trustworthy, nothing could truly keep men and women united. Human unity would be conceivable only on the basis of utility, on a calculus of conflicting interests or on fear, but not on the goodness of living together, not on the joy which the mere presence of others can give.

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I'm having some trouble coming up with a name for this that's not "bigotry". [View all] 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2013 OP

Dicketry? arcane1 Sep 2013 #1

Wonder if the chorus in here skepticscott Sep 2013 #2

Pope Francis is just being a very typical believer Warpy Sep 2013 #3

Surprisingly (snicker) I've seen many of the same arguments pronounced right dang here Heddi Sep 2013 #4

Where to start on this. longship Sep 2013 #5

I found that word for you. xfundy Sep 2013 #6

There are no Atheists who can Politicalboi Sep 2013 #7

sounds like the powers that be have reeled him back in rurallib Sep 2013 #8

It's bigotry. cbayer Sep 2013 #9

Compare and contrast to what you claim as "bigotry" skepticscott Sep 2013 #11

Rug disagrees with you completely skepticscott Sep 2013 #34

If the bullet points she extracted were in fact the encyclical, it would be bigotry. rug Sep 2013 #10

Right on cue skepticscott Sep 2013 #12

Did you read it or are you just reflexively responding? rug Sep 2013 #13

In other words skepticscott Sep 2013 #15

so applying this statement conversely Lordquinton Sep 2013 #16

His post is worth bookmarking skepticscott Sep 2013 #17

Do that. Everybody needs a hobby. rug Sep 2013 #30

Do you know what bigotry is? rug Sep 2013 #29

By that logic skepticscott Sep 2013 #32

You may want to edit that. rug Sep 2013 #35

For a while there, I thought the encyclical ... DreamGypsy Sep 2013 #14

I didn't find words such as "atheism" or "atheist" or "unbeliever" anywhere in Lumen Fidei struggle4progress Sep 2013 #18

Atheist or nonbeliever = someone without faith. trotsky Sep 2013 #19

The phrase "without faith" occurs only once in the document in section 36: the sentence struggle4progress Sep 2013 #20

Knock it off. trotsky Sep 2013 #22

The article linked by the OP misrepresents the document. struggle4progress Sep 2013 #27

So you disagree with cbayer. trotsky Sep 2013 #28

Do you think participants in this group should be forbidden to disagree with cbayer? struggle4progress Sep 2013 #36

Under no circumstances is anyone permitted to disagree with me!! cbayer Sep 2013 #39

eek! trotsky and cbayer are plotting a putsch in the religion group! struggle4progress Sep 2013 #44

I had to look that up. Now I have a new word! cbayer Sep 2013 #45

I'd love it if you could actually behave like an adult and support your statement. trotsky Sep 2013 #46

And you don't have a page full skepticscott Sep 2013 #33

Do you think participants in this group should be forbidden to use google? struggle4progress Sep 2013 #37

Silly and irrelevant question skepticscott Sep 2013 #38

I thought you wanted to discuss "Google search results" struggle4progress Sep 2013 #40

Take trotsky's advice in 22 skepticscott Sep 2013 #41

You mention google quite regularly: do you have some religious or conscientious objection struggle4progress Sep 2013 #42

Lol! rug Sep 2013 #43

You do know it is obvious to those reading this Goblinmonger Sep 2013 #47

I'm not seeing anything offensive in the letter. It's fine with me if struggle4progress Sep 2013 #50

And yet what miniscule effort have you even attempted to explain yourself? trotsky Sep 2013 #52

(1) Which of my posts in this thread motivated your claim I'm "going crazy on Google"? struggle4progress Sep 2013 #54

(2) Do you have a religious or conscientious objection to the use of Google? struggle4progress Sep 2013 #55

Thanks for demonstrating without a doubt... trotsky Sep 2013 #57

Don't waste your time on this one skepticscott Sep 2013 #56

I gave him multiple chances to act like an adult. trotsky Sep 2013 #58

I count four right now skepticscott Sep 2013 #59

I count at least five. rug Sep 2013 #60

............. Goblinmonger Sep 2013 #69

Maybe six. rug Sep 2013 #70

The problem is that he believes that living with faith is better than living without faith el_bryanto Sep 2013 #21

Of course he does - that's his job. trotsky Sep 2013 #23

Well yes - on both sides of the coin el_bryanto Sep 2013 #24

I think what it comes down to is this: trotsky Sep 2013 #25

Nods - el_bryanto Sep 2013 #26

You're right, it's a stretch. rug Sep 2013 #31

Except when it says, when writing about faith, Goblinmonger Sep 2013 #48

What text exactly are you purporting to discuss? struggle4progress Sep 2013 #49

Here's an example: eomer Sep 2013 #51

Horrors! You disagree with something the Pope said! So he must be a bigot! struggle4progress Sep 2013 #53

I disagree with the Pope's statement that as an atheist I am inferior. eomer Sep 2013 #61

The Pope nowhere said atheists are inferior. He spoke of the importance of love struggle4progress Sep 2013 #62

He's speaking about the importance of faith. eomer Sep 2013 #63

"If it were true --- as conceited shrewdness, proud of not being deceived, thinks --- that one struggle4progress Sep 2013 #64

So do you say then that faith is not a requirement for trustworthy love? eomer Sep 2013 #65

You are, of course, free to hold whatever opinion you like, concerning the importance of "faith" struggle4progress Sep 2013 #66

I think it is bigotry if it is a claim that people of no faith are inferior. eomer Sep 2013 #67

I don't think the pope is saying faith is a *requirement* - he said it enhances human capability muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #68

He does in a number of places come right out and say that faith is essential. eomer Sep 2013 #71

You read this skepticscott Sep 2013 #72

So Francesco and you do not entirely share a common worldview: he thinks something is required struggle4progress Sep 2013 #73

No, actually, I haven't said this is bigotry. But I do think it's ironically a lack of human unity. eomer Sep 2013 #74

Nice spin on bigotry skepticscott Sep 2013 #75