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pennylane100

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48. again my question to you is

Wed Feb 15, 2012, 01:59 PM

Feb 2012

what is so offensive about describing A CHARACTER IN A BOOK who happens to be a very bad person and an atheist.

You keep saying that myself and a few other posters are missing the point. Have you considered that it is not that we are missing it, it is just that we do not agree with it. You refuse to acknowledge that he made these remarks about a fictional character and yet you want us to take them seriously.

You can go into any bookstore or library and find books about Jews, Christians, Muslims and just about any belief system (with the possible exception of Quakers, who always seem so nice) and there will be characters in those books that would have all the characteristics of the person in the book Washington read, except of course their religion, and it would be perfectly acceptable for an actor to explain it. I do not know or care what type of person Washington is, I just think you need a better
reason to play "the outraged atheist" than the one you are using.

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Denzel Washington associates religious believers with sociopaths (and murderers) [View all] cleanhippie Feb 2012 OP

I did not have any outrage when I clicked on the link. I found it curious, not outrageous. MADem Feb 2012 #1

And WHOOOSH goes the point flying over your head. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #3

No, it did not fly over my head. Ever hear the phrase "...and words will never hurt me?" MADem Feb 2012 #5

Again, you are missing the point. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #7

No, I'm not missing the point. MADem Feb 2012 #13

Wow, the denial is stupefying. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #15

No, but the urge to start a mindless and pointless argument is strong with you, I see. MADem Feb 2012 #16

Are you trying to convince me or yourself? cleanhippie Feb 2012 #18

You ARE missing the point - deliberately, I suspect. mr blur Feb 2012 #26

You are wrong. I won't go into snarky "par for the course" remarks--that's your schtick. MADem Feb 2012 #27

Uh, you ARE missing the point. Warpy Feb 2012 #17

Try reading what I wrote. nt MADem Feb 2012 #19

Why do you always seem to assume that someone who disagrees with you didn't read what you wrote? laconicsax Feb 2012 #21

Because you plainly didn't read it--I never approached the subject from a position of being "right." MADem Feb 2012 #23

One last attempt. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #57

Because *I* plainly didn't read it? laconicsax Feb 2012 #68

I was replying to you, and your assertion. So yes, I do keep track. nt MADem Feb 2012 #70

Since when does a question constitute an assertion? laconicsax Feb 2012 #71

Your "questions" (rhetorical demands) were based on your wrong assumption that MADem Feb 2012 #75

I accept your apology. laconicsax Feb 2012 #82

You really didn't read what I wrote! MADem Feb 2012 #85

That point Dorian Gray Feb 2012 #32

I don't think that is the case here on DU Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #39

Maybe Dorian Gray Feb 2012 #44

No, words will never hurt me Scootaloo Feb 2012 #25

Ah, the hyperbole over a straw man is strong, here! nt MADem Feb 2012 #28

Just making a point Scootaloo Feb 2012 #49

Well, there's a difference of opinion about that on this thread. MADem Feb 2012 #60

"Every single "quote" from the man provided here Rob H. Feb 2012 #64

Actually, it's very plain Scootaloo Feb 2012 #67

Well, Denzel had best watch his step then, is that what you're saying? MADem Feb 2012 #72

Tiller's actions? REALLY? darkstar3 Feb 2012 #73

Stop struggling to be poutraged--of course his actions were legal. Do I need to say "Duh?" MADem Feb 2012 #76

There it is. darkstar3 Feb 2012 #78

What part of "Don't let the opinions of actors ruin your day" is unclear to you? MADem Feb 2012 #80

No, I'm saying Denzel said something offensive Scootaloo Feb 2012 #83

I am not "peddling excuses" for anyone. Jeez. RIF. nt MADem Feb 2012 #84

That's the most ironically rich thing I've read in days Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #87

Yeah, sure, whatever floats your little boat. Have one of those nice days. nt MADem Feb 2012 #89

Nice passive-aggressive response. "little boat" Nice. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #90

Are you at least breaking a sweat with all of that ducking and dodging? Silent3 Feb 2012 #50

Don't ascribe motives to me--you'd be quite wrong, as you are. MADem Feb 2012 #59

I may not be able to completely determine your motives... Silent3 Feb 2012 #61

I am not asking you to "buy" anything. Sheesh. Get over yourself. MADem Feb 2012 #74

It's also a smart practice to realize how... Silent3 Feb 2012 #79

You have a nice day. Find someone else to play with. nt MADem Feb 2012 #81

I had a similar reaction Dorian Gray Feb 2012 #31

+1 nt MADem Feb 2012 #77

I don't see him doing any such thing. MrSlayer Feb 2012 #2

Sorry, you have it wrong. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #4

I think you are reading it the way you want. MrSlayer Feb 2012 #14

And to add fuel to the fire, it's "The Examiner" which means some bozo wrote it the way they wanted. MADem Feb 2012 #20

The interview does not support your claim.... xocet Feb 2012 #22

Oh, come on. Why does he list it there if it isn't important to the rest. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #40

Well.... xocet Feb 2012 #106

No, it would be your incorrect application of logic there. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #107

See other interviews linked in #51 and #55/#58 muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #108

I have no more rage with his comments than I do when you belittle and humblebum Feb 2012 #6

Ah, humblebum. If we could only be as pious as you. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #9

You are one of those that has claimed you would call out bigotry Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #41

Really? So what did I express in #6? nt humblebum Feb 2012 #42

Passive-Aggressivity? Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #43

You seem to be attempting to either read things into or to twist words. humblebum Feb 2012 #45

Yes, you're right Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #46

Not much different than saying humblebum Feb 2012 #47

If Denzel is saying that conscience cannot exist without piety, he needs to do a LOT more reading. rocktivity Feb 2012 #8

No, he is saying that a conscience cannot exist without piety. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #10

I mis-wrote -- was editing while you were responding. n/t rocktivity Feb 2012 #12

Substitute "believer in string theory" for atheist. Still think it's not biased? saras Feb 2012 #11

I am still trying to make sense of your post. pennylane100 Feb 2012 #24

+1 nt MADem Feb 2012 #29

You and others are STILL missing the point skepticscott Feb 2012 #30

again my question to you is pennylane100 Feb 2012 #48

Denzel Washington's wording does not imply a mere "happens to be"... Silent3 Feb 2012 #86

The replies to this thread are hilarious. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #33

It is amazing how they are noticably absent. For all of their handwringing and bloviating... cleanhippie Feb 2012 #34

Frankly I believe its because they agree with Denzel, its not prejudice if its true... Humanist_Activist Feb 2012 #62

So your response to the bigoted statement of Denzel Washington Leontius Feb 2012 #93

I'm just making an observation on behavior, considering how... Humanist_Activist Feb 2012 #98

Well then I guess the only thing I can do is apologize Leontius Feb 2012 #101

Considering your own posting history on separation of church and state... Humanist_Activist Feb 2012 #102

Distortion and outright falsehoods are not good traits to display in public. Leontius Feb 2012 #103

Sorry, got you confused with Kurmudgeon... Humanist_Activist Feb 2012 #104

No problem Leontius Feb 2012 #105

Par for the course. darkstar3 Feb 2012 #66

Denzel is an asshole soleft Feb 2012 #35

Hope you didn't hurt yourself making that leap.... Sal316 Feb 2012 #36

Its not a leap, sal. Its as plain as day. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #38

Actually, I do get your point. Sal316 Feb 2012 #91

No, you don't get it at all. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #94

No, it's not about the character; look at the other quotes muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #100

As an atheist, I say "Fuck you, Denzel." [nt] Jester Messiah Feb 2012 #37

"The traits of a sociopath: No conscience, no sense of remorse, usually atheist ..." Jim__ Feb 2012 #51

Since the book characterises 4% of Americans as sociopaths muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #52

wikipedia: ... the number of people in the US who don't believe in a god to be about 9%. Jim__ Feb 2012 #53

Even to claim 22% of those who do not believe in god are sociopaths muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #54

Did you scan the book for the word "God"? Jim__ Feb 2012 #56

I scanned it for 'god', and also read the 'spirituality' section, after looking at the index muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #58

I think he just makes these connections , religious= predominatly moral , atheist= predominatly Leontius Feb 2012 #63

Here's what he said in another interview, and it's unambiguous Rob H. Feb 2012 #55

There are atheists and then there are atheists . mia Feb 2012 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author laconicsax Feb 2012 #69

You know you're spelling that wrong. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #88

Thanks mia Feb 2012 #97

Ha...the funny thing is, I was about to come on here and defend religious people. Evoman Feb 2012 #92

Apparently the only problem is you Silent3 Feb 2012 #95

Did you reply to the wrong post? cleanhippie Feb 2012 #96

No, I was just being sarcastic... Silent3 Feb 2012 #99

"an atheist, a murderer and liar" != "a murderer and a liar because he is an atheist" ButterflyBlood Feb 2012 #109