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struggle4progress

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60. "allegedly new and exciting sources ... sometimes turn out to be fakes" would be my reading

Wed Oct 9, 2013, 11:09 PM

Oct 2013

though, of course, it is also true that "scholars ... sometimes turn out to be fakes"

Since different sects, and different persons within a sect, can hold different views of the significance of "holy water," it will perhaps be not particularly useful for me to pursue further discussion of that topic with you: I would maintain my views are not in any sense "magical," since I regard "magic" (if proposed as a serious subject, rather than as merely a species of entertainment involving clever misdirection) as a variety of deceit and therefore anathema, and I would also assert that my views are essentially philosophical (meaning here, ethical and metaphysical) involving nothing that could be proven or disproven by scientific methods -- but I suspect you are nevertheless unlikely to approve of the varioussignificances which I might sometimes ascribe to it

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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ' [View all] cleanhippie Oct 2013 OP

I believe there really was a Jesus Christ fitman Oct 2013 #1

That's nice. If shown to be false will you continue to believe that? cleanhippie Oct 2013 #5

I'm basically agnostic fitman Oct 2013 #7

I understand. Yet, if shown to be a total fabrication, as is asserted, will you continue cleanhippie Oct 2013 #11

If beyond all doubt I would not believe he was a real person fitman Oct 2013 #17

Fair enough. cleanhippie Oct 2013 #18

I agree. roguevalley Oct 2013 #57

Yes, Jesus of Nazareth. mmonk Oct 2013 #77

Jesus likely didn't exist... but this is total bullshit. Schema Thing Oct 2013 #2

What is total bullshit? cleanhippie Oct 2013 #6

Even if they expose the hoax, it will affect belief very little. immoderate Oct 2013 #3

He "asserts that Christianity" began as "a kind of propaganda ... to pacify" the Roman subjects AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #4

Well done. russspeakeasy Oct 2013 #9

Interesting, indeed� Champion Jack Oct 2013 #8

Having read the article, I thnk the title is a bit hyperbolic. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #10

So The Jesus burning on the cross was a kind of false flag operation? mindwalker_i Oct 2013 #12

No, most likely just a total fabrication. cleanhippie Oct 2013 #15

burning? Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #20

Well if The Jesus was just a made-up thing mindwalker_i Oct 2013 #22

+1 cleanhippie Oct 2013 #31

The KKK burn crosses, not the Romans. truebluegreen Oct 2013 #56

To be fair, there aren't a lof of Romans to burn any more mindwalker_i Oct 2013 #62

old news for some.... heres a great site about the "history" of jesus boomer55 Oct 2013 #13

The bible was written 250 yrs after it supposed happened. Archaeologists, anthropoligists, Welibs Oct 2013 #14

"tools, artifacts, entire cities, frozen bodies, bones dating back 240 million years." Really? cleanhippie Oct 2013 #16

My interpretation is that 240 m.y. refers to "bones" not e.g. "entire cities". Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #21

Human bones? cleanhippie Oct 2013 #23

no, just "bones". Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #24

IIRC, the human species is only 100,000 years old or so. n/t backscatter712 Oct 2013 #73

That's what I thought, too. cleanhippie Oct 2013 #74

240 million years?? fitman Oct 2013 #19

You Are Claiming The the Bible On the Road Oct 2013 #79

Do you believe this information Dorian Gray Oct 2013 #25

How can I? He hasn't presented his evidence yet. cleanhippie Oct 2013 #26

Maybe David Icke will be there! cbayer Oct 2013 #27

The GOP will love this. Turbineguy Oct 2013 #28

One would have to see the evidence, but it sounds intriguing riqster Oct 2013 #29

Well, it's certainly a more-plausible explanation than believing all the supernatural hokum stopbush Oct 2013 #30

Oh this discredited dreck again. rug Oct 2013 #32

Good catch (nt) UrbScotty Oct 2013 #33

Here you go. cbayer Oct 2013 #34

Is it possible that that was not really him? cleanhippie Oct 2013 #36

His reply to me didn't really make any sense, as far as I can tell muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #47

I think you scared him because you know more than he does. cbayer Oct 2013 #48

Well, I guess we will see if/when he shows his "evidence." cleanhippie Oct 2013 #35

He's been "showing" it for years. Only the gullible buy it. rug Oct 2013 #37

"Only the gullible buy it." I think that's his point. cleanhippie Oct 2013 #38

I'll spot you �25.00 if you're short. rug Oct 2013 #39

You're so very generous. cleanhippie Oct 2013 #43

Shucks, I had gotten all excited, had looked the book up in Amazon, my balloon is popped!1 n/t UTUSN Oct 2013 #78

If Josephus wanted to invent Christianity, On the Road Oct 2013 #40

The core of Paul's letter is universally considered genuine............ dimbear Oct 2013 #44

Well, If Anyone Invented Them It Would Have Been Marcion On the Road Oct 2013 #55

I have a definite soft spot for Marcion. Around 150 CE, his brand of Christianity was the dimbear Oct 2013 #64

If You Like Marcion, You Might Appreciate This Site On the Road Oct 2013 #69

Bookmarked as very interesting. Meanwhile, have you looked at Bruce Brooks and his dimbear Oct 2013 #75

Not to mention that the letters of "Paul" Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #76

It is possible that Jesus was a real man who started a religion the Romans found convenient leveymg Oct 2013 #52

The Way That the Romans Spread Religious Pacificism On the Road Oct 2013 #63

Should be interesting to see what they come up with. I don't think it will change my faith and it hrmjustin Oct 2013 #41

Your link is a press release; the event advertised is styled "Is Christianity the genesis of struggle4progress Oct 2013 #42

I fear the timing is off some. More likely 3rd/4th century Romans picked and chose what they liked dimbear Oct 2013 #45

At that point the Romans had already been using religion to unite their empire truebluegreen Oct 2013 #54

The Roman Empire was in a state of crisis for much of the Third and Fourth Centuries, so struggle4progress Oct 2013 #65

As I heard it, the Sasanids play quite an important part in western history. Constantine admired dimbear Oct 2013 #67

Not particularly new. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2013 #46

No, Jesus does not have "identical characteristics" okasha Oct 2013 #87

I don't understand the need for Rome to invent Jesus, particularly since it kinda backfired... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #49

How did the "Render unto Caesar ..." approach backfire against Rome? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #58

Not quite true, first off, Jesus Christ didn't become prominent until a century later... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #68

If you are committed to the premise that "he lived," then you can apply your own logic to AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #70

Actually, I doubt Jesus existed as portrayed in the Gospels... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #71

Jesus Mythbusting struggle4progress Oct 2013 #50

"scholars ... sometimes turn out to be fakes". But Holy water is real? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #59

"allegedly new and exciting sources ... sometimes turn out to be fakes" would be my reading struggle4progress Oct 2013 #60

If Marco Polo's Holy water was good enough for the Kublai Khan, why not you? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #66

You'll have to forgive me for not having much of an opinion about a conversation struggle4progress Oct 2013 #72

It is true that Atwill only attended "a Jesuit Military Academy" and had no real scholarly cred but grantcart Oct 2013 #84

To be fair, he was up half the night underlining the Gideon Bible with crayons. rug Oct 2013 #85

Sorry, but if there really were good evidence for that... Deep13 Oct 2013 #51

Or at least published by a genuine publisher instead of self-published thru a vanity press struggle4progress Oct 2013 #61

Nail, head. okasha Oct 2013 #90

Alas! How dreary would the world be if there were no Jesus. eShirl Oct 2013 #53

Sorry Virginia, but it was your parents all along. Deep13 Oct 2013 #93

... Atwill's theory is one of the sillier ones at the kooky end of the Jesus Myther spectrum. It's struggle4progress Oct 2013 #80

As silly as the one where Jesus is killed then resurrected? cleanhippie Oct 2013 #81

Your rhetoric suggests that from your conviction, that the Jesus stories are nonsense, you conclude struggle4progress Oct 2013 #82

The captivity of confirmation bias is dismaying to behold. rug Oct 2013 #83

Selective Skepticism struggle4progress Oct 2013 #91

Dawkins follows up: dimbear Oct 2013 #92

Is that the first time he's stated "I'm not qualified" in regard to anything concerning religion? rug Oct 2013 #94

I don't have the mad google skills of some of our members, but a few clicks shows that no, dimbear Oct 2013 #95

The point is that skepticscott Oct 2013 #86

I do not understand this idea that, if one thinks someone else is misleading the public struggle4progress Oct 2013 #88

Clearly you don't understand it skepticscott Oct 2013 #89