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Leontius

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78. Pre-implantation equals no current pregnancy hence no potential for a medical abortion.

Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:49 PM

Oct 2013

Your final point on the supernatural is irrelevant on the societal level at this point in time perhaps one day it will be otherwise. I'll just end with this, religious, philosophical, economic, etc the motivation behind the effort to effect our laws is not the determining factor in the implementation of laws. It may the reason individuals support or oppose them as is there right but outside of overt and concrete religious dogma being established in our secular government it is still just one piece of a personal decision of each individual to support or oppose any prospective laws. My main argument is with the effect of a law not the proposers motivation.

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Anti-atheism billboards in Times Square and San Francisco [View all] pokerfan Oct 2013 OP

That's Ken Ham's group. He'a a young earth creationist. rug Oct 2013 #1

That explains a lot. cbayer Oct 2013 #12

More from the silly believers in mythology... Cooley Hurd Oct 2013 #2

Genesis = Ignorance. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #3

That's so freaking offensive. cbayer Oct 2013 #4

no more offensive than these... codemoguy Oct 2013 #5

Those are offensive as well. cbayer Oct 2013 #9

I can't consider saying 'I'm right and you're wrong' an attack... codemoguy Oct 2013 #13

That's been standard practice in this forum for a long time skepticscott Oct 2013 #15

Like this? rug Oct 2013 #17

Offensive?? I think not. longship Oct 2013 #22

I should have been clearer and made a distinction. cbayer Oct 2013 #23

The point of FFRF, American Atheists, etc. is to reach out. longship Oct 2013 #29

They weren't all "outreach", longship. cbayer Oct 2013 #30

It is all outreach. And ALL free speech. longship Oct 2013 #32

Are you making the case that anyone should be able to say anything they want cbayer Oct 2013 #35

Well, that's what the First Amendment says. longship Oct 2013 #41

I think we are on the same page here honestly. cbayer Oct 2013 #42

Me too you, cbayer. longship Oct 2013 #43

You have also taught me a lot, longship. cbayer Oct 2013 #44

They are offensive Politicalboi Oct 2013 #53

It's childish tit-for-tat. It's in response to billboards like these: Common Sense Party Oct 2013 #6

Uh, no skepticscott Oct 2013 #10

Uh, yes. It's simply designed to needle those who believe in "mythology", etc. Common Sense Party Oct 2013 #14

"Simply designed to needle"? Did you even read them? skepticscott Oct 2013 #18

Yes, I did. Did you? Common Sense Party Oct 2013 #21

If you actually did read them skepticscott Oct 2013 #34

Do you believe that ALL dogma is inherently dangerous? Common Sense Party Oct 2013 #46

I thought that was a given for any reasonable person to conclude... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #47

Dogma isn't always unquestioned. Common Sense Party Oct 2013 #49

Actually, the link you link to supports my premise... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #52

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #72

Exactly. You put it so much more eloquently and maturely than I did. cbayer Oct 2013 #11

Ken Ham's messages are purposely personal, directed at atheists as people... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #48

Very often, people see what they want or expect to see. Common Sense Party Oct 2013 #50

Ken Ham makes a rather clear message, that atheists are wrong... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #54

They're expressing their deeply held beliefs skepticscott Oct 2013 #7

The unmeant point WovenGems Oct 2013 #57

Because there are no simple answers. cbayer Oct 2013 #58

And... WovenGems Oct 2013 #59

"I don't know" is a pretty simple answer Fumesucker Oct 2013 #71

As an Atheist, I see nothing wrong with this Shadowflash Oct 2013 #8

"we have the message of truth the world needs to hear xfundy Oct 2013 #16

I'd be surprised to learn OriginalGeek Oct 2013 #19

Good one. Calling them "friends" is one of the things that makes this offensive. cbayer Oct 2013 #20

Yep OriginalGeek Oct 2013 #25

It's an unnecessary and passive aggressive Dorian Gray Oct 2013 #24

The answers are in Genesis. dimbear Oct 2013 #26

I would counter with. You better hope Athiests are right, if not you're probably going to hell notadmblnd Oct 2013 #27

*shrug* I invite them to prove it. Deep13 Oct 2013 #28

The problem for me is that this is a war that just doesn't have a purpose. cbayer Oct 2013 #31

A war? Deep13 Oct 2013 #33

There is absolutely no point in a battle between theism and atheism, imo. cbayer Oct 2013 #36

No, but a lively discussion would be good. nt Deep13 Oct 2013 #38

We have those all the time, Deep. cbayer Oct 2013 #39

So this isn't enough of a reason for you? skepticscott Oct 2013 #40

Except of course, some are trying to legislate based on various theistic beliefs, which cannot be AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #55

The religious right is trying to do that, but not theists in general. cbayer Oct 2013 #56

Battling with the religious right is indeed what needs to be done! trotsky Oct 2013 #60

Why not? Leontius Oct 2013 #61

How does one legislate religious-inspired morality that is inclusive and permissible under the 1st AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #63

And what you want is more valid or important than what they want, because? Leontius Oct 2013 #64

Because it's BASED ON REALITY and testable, provable science. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #65

A free society implies that ideas all have the same chance of approval or disapproval Leontius Oct 2013 #68

You are correct, I personally, do not. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #70

I'm not talking about the exact wording of a law. I'm talking about the motivation of the Leontius Oct 2013 #73

There is usually significant overlap between the motivation, and the material fact of the proposed AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #75

Your own example is one. If I were to be opposed to abortion based on your example of defending a Leontius Oct 2013 #76

How would you meet the secular demand of invoking 'rights' for a multi-celled blastocyst that hasn't AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #77

Pre-implantation equals no current pregnancy hence no potential for a medical abortion. Leontius Oct 2013 #78

Your statement on a unimplanted but fertilized ovum is at odds with that of the religious right. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #79

Yes, we know how much skepticscott Oct 2013 #37

This thread cuts to the core of what the atheist billboards are about. longship Oct 2013 #45

The problem is some people look so hard to be insulted, provoked, excluded, attacked and persecuted Leontius Oct 2013 #62

Well, you said it all much more succinctly. longship Oct 2013 #66

You've perfectly described skepticscott Oct 2013 #67

I have unfortunately described a far to large group of people in this country. Leontius Oct 2013 #69

What group is that? Why are they "too large" and how do you propose shrinking thier numbers? n/t Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #82

Wow, you perfectly summed up the majority of Christians in this country. n/t Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #81

All I can say is Politicalboi Oct 2013 #51

Apparently these were put up in response to the billboards that were put up last fall/winter cbayer Oct 2013 #74

Spend, spend, spend Corey Oct 2013 #80

Said this in the other thread LostOne4Ever Oct 2013 #83

Who would want to celebrate edhopper Oct 2013 #84