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In reply to the discussion: Denzel Washington associates religious believers with sociopaths (and murderers) [View all]Jim__
(15,233 posts)56. Did you scan the book for the word "God"?
How about "religion", "spirituality", "faith"? I find it difficult to limit the possible interpretations of a book based on scanning for a word. I did, however, scan for the word "God". It's there, a number of times. An excerpt from page 212 - 213:
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Though less conspicuously, a belief in oneness is part of the Judeo-Christian tradition as well. In 1939, as yet another shattering attempt at world domination rumbled in Europe, Jewish theologian and philosopher Martin Buber address the National Conference of Palestinian Teachers in Tel-Aviv. He concluded his address by saying, "Nothing remains but what rises above the abyss of today's monstrous problems, as above every abyss of every time: the wing-beat of the spirit and the creative word. But he who can see and hear out of unity will also behold and discern again what can be beheld and discerned eternally. The educator who helps to bring man back to his own unity will help to put him again face to face with God."
In whatever tradition they occur, spiritual practices focused on an awareness of interbeing tend to have the intriguing psychological side effect of bringing significant earthly happiness to their most devoted practitioners, almost regardless of external circumstances. In a book that is a collaboration between psychologist Daniel Goleman and His Holiness the Dalai Lama, entitled Destructive Emotions: A Scientific Dialogue with the Dalai Lama, Goleman writes, "The very act of concern for others' well-being, it seems, creates a greater state of well-being within oneself" In recent years, increasing numbers of scientists have echoed this impression. At a 2002 conference on science and the mind attended by the Dalai Lama, distinguished Australian neurobiologist Jack Pettigrew remarked, "If you go to Dharamsala [Indian home of the Tibetan community in exile], you go up through the fog in mid-winter and you come out in the bright sunshine, it's like going to heaven. What strikes you immediately is the happy smiling faces of the Tibetans, who don't have much, have been terribly deprived, and yet they are happy. Well, why are they happy?"
The Dalai Lama himself is interested in answering this question scientifically and finding a secular way to creat the compassionate sense of interbeing that is achieved by devour practitioners of Tibetan Bhuddist meditation. To this end, he has launched an international series of dialoques between scientists and Bhuddist scholars, the most recent of which, in 2003, was cosponsored by the Mind and Life Institute in Colorado and the McGovern Institute of the Massachussetts Institute of Technology. He intends these dialogues to yield practical solutions to the destructive states of mind that both the Bhuddists and the scientists view as the root of human confilct and suffering.
As a psychologist, I am particularly taken with the Dalai Lama's description of those whom I might refer to as sociopaths, or as people devoid of an intervening sense of obligation based in connectedness to others. He refers to such people as "people who don't have well developed human lives." More specifically, the Dalai Lama said of the World Trade Center attacks, "Technology is a good thing but the use of technology in the hands of people who don't have well developed human lives can be disastrous."
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Though less conspicuously, a belief in oneness is part of the Judeo-Christian tradition as well. In 1939, as yet another shattering attempt at world domination rumbled in Europe, Jewish theologian and philosopher Martin Buber address the National Conference of Palestinian Teachers in Tel-Aviv. He concluded his address by saying, "Nothing remains but what rises above the abyss of today's monstrous problems, as above every abyss of every time: the wing-beat of the spirit and the creative word. But he who can see and hear out of unity will also behold and discern again what can be beheld and discerned eternally. The educator who helps to bring man back to his own unity will help to put him again face to face with God."
In whatever tradition they occur, spiritual practices focused on an awareness of interbeing tend to have the intriguing psychological side effect of bringing significant earthly happiness to their most devoted practitioners, almost regardless of external circumstances. In a book that is a collaboration between psychologist Daniel Goleman and His Holiness the Dalai Lama, entitled Destructive Emotions: A Scientific Dialogue with the Dalai Lama, Goleman writes, "The very act of concern for others' well-being, it seems, creates a greater state of well-being within oneself" In recent years, increasing numbers of scientists have echoed this impression. At a 2002 conference on science and the mind attended by the Dalai Lama, distinguished Australian neurobiologist Jack Pettigrew remarked, "If you go to Dharamsala [Indian home of the Tibetan community in exile], you go up through the fog in mid-winter and you come out in the bright sunshine, it's like going to heaven. What strikes you immediately is the happy smiling faces of the Tibetans, who don't have much, have been terribly deprived, and yet they are happy. Well, why are they happy?"
The Dalai Lama himself is interested in answering this question scientifically and finding a secular way to creat the compassionate sense of interbeing that is achieved by devour practitioners of Tibetan Bhuddist meditation. To this end, he has launched an international series of dialoques between scientists and Bhuddist scholars, the most recent of which, in 2003, was cosponsored by the Mind and Life Institute in Colorado and the McGovern Institute of the Massachussetts Institute of Technology. He intends these dialogues to yield practical solutions to the destructive states of mind that both the Bhuddists and the scientists view as the root of human confilct and suffering.
As a psychologist, I am particularly taken with the Dalai Lama's description of those whom I might refer to as sociopaths, or as people devoid of an intervening sense of obligation based in connectedness to others. He refers to such people as "people who don't have well developed human lives." More specifically, the Dalai Lama said of the World Trade Center attacks, "Technology is a good thing but the use of technology in the hands of people who don't have well developed human lives can be disastrous."
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Now, do I think this chapter says that sociopaths are usually atheists? No. Do I think that Denzel Washington, looking back at the book and after having played his character as a sociopath and atheist could remember it that way? Yes. I've done enough checking of my recollections to know that they are not exact. I've read that is normal for human memory. Denzel plays the character, apparently a character under threat of immediate death as an atheist. Do I think the character's atheism is important to how Denzel plays him? Yes. IOW, I think this is much ado about nothing.
After all, I could start a thread that claims Denzel Washington associates winners with sociopaths - but, that would be silly.
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Denzel Washington associates religious believers with sociopaths (and murderers) [View all]
cleanhippie
Feb 2012
OP
I did not have any outrage when I clicked on the link. I found it curious, not outrageous.
MADem
Feb 2012
#1
No, it did not fly over my head. Ever hear the phrase "...and words will never hurt me?"
MADem
Feb 2012
#5
No, but the urge to start a mindless and pointless argument is strong with you, I see.
MADem
Feb 2012
#16
You are wrong. I won't go into snarky "par for the course" remarks--that's your schtick.
MADem
Feb 2012
#27
Why do you always seem to assume that someone who disagrees with you didn't read what you wrote?
laconicsax
Feb 2012
#21
Because you plainly didn't read it--I never approached the subject from a position of being "right."
MADem
Feb 2012
#23
Stop struggling to be poutraged--of course his actions were legal. Do I need to say "Duh?"
MADem
Feb 2012
#76
And to add fuel to the fire, it's "The Examiner" which means some bozo wrote it the way they wanted.
MADem
Feb 2012
#20
If Denzel is saying that conscience cannot exist without piety, he needs to do a LOT more reading.
rocktivity
Feb 2012
#8
It is amazing how they are noticably absent. For all of their handwringing and bloviating...
cleanhippie
Feb 2012
#34
Frankly I believe its because they agree with Denzel, its not prejudice if its true...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2012
#62
Considering your own posting history on separation of church and state...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2012
#102
"The traits of a sociopath: No conscience, no sense of remorse, usually atheist ..."
Jim__
Feb 2012
#51
wikipedia: ... the number of people in the US who don't believe in a god to be about 9%.
Jim__
Feb 2012
#53
Even to claim 22% of those who do not believe in god are sociopaths
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2012
#54
I scanned it for 'god', and also read the 'spirituality' section, after looking at the index
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2012
#58
I think he just makes these connections , religious= predominatly moral , atheist= predominatly
Leontius
Feb 2012
#63
Ha...the funny thing is, I was about to come on here and defend religious people.
Evoman
Feb 2012
#92
"an atheist, a murderer and liar" != "a murderer and a liar because he is an atheist"
ButterflyBlood
Feb 2012
#109